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OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by akmiller »

infecto wrote: post #103
akmiller wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, these products are "legal". I think the point is more that we pay for your top subscription but you've decided that a handful of companies that you pick get access to the best of the best now and everyone else has to wait and perhaps they may be allowed access at some point...if deemed worthy. You want the few leading AI companies in the U.S. to work under the model where they (and potentially the U.S.…

Since when did US markets ever guarantee unlimited access to everyone. I don’t understand this line of thinking that has cropped up around AI companies.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that a company can't do this, they absolutely can within certain frameworks of the law. That doesn't mean consumers have to like it and continue to business with companies such as these.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by thimabi »

estearum wrote: post #96
NichoPaolucci wrote: post #66

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Both companies offer "MAX" or "PRO" plans - and the best models were available to those customers. This new wave of "It's too dangerous for the public" is a new initiative from both companies. I agree with your overall sentiment. Paying for "Claude Mini" doesn't get you "Claude Maximos". However, the overall precedent that the companies have set is that if you pay for the top tier subscription, you get the top tier m…

Just like when you buy a top of the line camera or car, and then they release a new one, you are entitled to the now-top-of-the-line camera or car. What the heck come on.

Buying a camera or car is different from paying a subscription, right? Different expectations

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by avaer »

giwook wrote: post #110
taspeotis wrote: post #11

I don't know what the solution to this is, but I find it somewhat unfair that I pay money to Anthropic, and I pay money to OpenAI, and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on. Admittedly Opus 4.8 xhigh does a good job, but are my customers not entitled to have more security from a Fable/Mythos or GPT-5.5-Cyber audit over the codebase? Or I guess the inverse question: why…

Because while you may be a good actor, there are just as many bad actors out there. How does Anthropic or OpenAI differentiate between the two? Once you solve that, you can get access to Mythos ;)

More importantly who gets to decide good or bad?

Remember all of these models are based on unimaginable levels of copyright infringement. Is OpenAI a bad actor, that they use their models to infringe on the rights of others?

This isn't a moral argument. This is all about power and money, not good or bad. That includes the Mythos ban. Good vs bad actors is political theater designed to distract from what's actually going on.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by infecto »

akmiller wrote: post #111
infecto wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when did US markets ever guarantee unlimited access to everyone. I don’t understand this line of thinking that has cropped up around AI companies.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that a company can't do this, they absolutely can within certain frameworks of the law. That doesn't mean consumers have to like it and continue to business with companies such as these.

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Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by armenarmen »

infecto wrote: post #106
theplumber wrote: post #28

Ok so why I don’t have access to this if I already pay for the max plan? Should I pay a security researcher to run codex on my code? Is this how it is supposed to work? Let’s hope we get some real cyber models that people can actually use from the Chinese without the stupid application forms.

Why does paying for the max plan build the expectation that you get access to everything?

“Max” leads me to believe I have the maximum level of access

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by egorfine »

milkshakes wrote: post #100
egorfine wrote: post #95

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> how does it not help solve the problem How does it? Online KYC is a procedure to verify someone's documents and face. And that's it. What does it have to do with the actual usage of the OpenAI account and the code that is being examined with AI?

> The company has no way of knowing whether "find all security vulnerabilities in this code" is a request from a whitehat or a blackhat hacker the system in place to prevent unauthorized abuse. by default, the guardrails are conservative. to reduce the guardrails you can jump through a progressive series of hoops to establish whether or not you have a valid use case. the entrypoint for establishing your use case is v…

> what is your proposal?

None. I don't see a solution.

I'm silently rooting for Chinese models here.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by theodorespeak »

Let's see if I can connect the dots as well as I think I can.

Just putting it here for posterity.

Like those movies before them, The Creator will be a cult classic in a few years.

The acting was okay, the story was okay.The vfx were great.

The premise is prophetic.

America and China will go to war over AI.

America will try and contain it for themselves. China will keep on trying to keep it accessible.

After endless negotiations between the two superpowers, there is no more room left for talking.

The free (not as in beer) AI models were always seemingly slightly worse than the proprietary American models. A barely noticeable difference on most tasks, but a difference nonetheless.

The breakthrough came when people, companies and governments began chaining and pooling models and infrastructure together,because they were free to do so, thereby creating behemoths that America could not outclass, outsmart or outspend.

And when you stake your whole future on that one thing, it's winner take all.

So for that reason they all had had to die.

And so the war began...

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by infecto »

armenarmen wrote: post #115
infecto wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does paying for the max plan build the expectation that you get access to everything?

“Max” leads me to believe I have the maximum level of access

Maybe that’s just a naming problem then. But even if they called it “Ultra Max Super Pro,” I still wouldn’t assume it means access to every future capability, every internal tool, or every restricted model they ever build.

To me, “Max” means the highest tier of the product they’re currently offering to that customer segment, not an unlimited claim on everything the company possesses.

Again, for me this has just been a very strange argument I keep seeing around these plans. It’s obvious the plans are subsidized and I am happy to take advantage of that in the near term but I would be a fool to think my $200/month account buys any special access.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by taspeotis »

gavinray wrote: post #108
taspeotis wrote: post #11

I don't know what the solution to this is, but I find it somewhat unfair that I pay money to Anthropic, and I pay money to OpenAI, and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on. Admittedly Opus 4.8 xhigh does a good job, but are my customers not entitled to have more security from a Fable/Mythos or GPT-5.5-Cyber audit over the codebase? Or I guess the inverse question: why…

> and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on. I mean, are you saying you submitted a Trusted Access application to both OpenAI + Anthropic and they BOTH declined it? I have Verified/Trusted Access on both of them and I don't even work in Cyber. I filled it out as an individual using my own Org ID and I got accepted to both of them, lol.

So I got turned off the OpenAI form because it’s pretty heavily geared towards “enterprise” which I’m not. But I’ll have a stab at it later.

What’s the equivalent form for Anthropic please? The closest I got from Google was Claude Security’s “contact sales.”

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