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Re: Never Give Them Your Face

#421
Let's describe it simply: in the name of children protection, pushed by govs and parents, the companies found the chance to pass full identification of all. They use the former as a Trojan horse for the latter.

The sollution is simply to decouple the two processes. Now it'seasy as it's still early. The first step is for the people to realise the sneaky link and for the govs to stop any lobbying.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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> I think lots of people around here would agree that "the rich" are doing nefarious things I'm sorry, while it may be true that many people around here believe this, you have lost me in particular at this line. It may be true that some rich people, like people from all walks of life, are occasionally doing nefarious things. I think generalizing this to an entire group, "The Rich", sounds as off-kilter as people talk…

There's a reason "the rich" were scare quoted. I also think it's an oversimplification. It suffices merely that there is some well-resourced entity that appears to want to use "child age verification" as an obvious trojan horse for increased power and control over the internet. If you have trouble imagining who might want "increased power and control over the internet", I don't know how to help you. People aren't all…

I'll try one more time -- how many people, that is, individual human beings, do you believe have this capacity and the desire to use it? Is that number, like, 5? Is it 50? Or, more likely, is it 50,000? Of those people, how many successfully do anything with this?

None of the pattern you describe is at all effective in a democracy unless you can get people to support your candidate or support your issues or whatever. You can't just buy that. There's no direct path to spending money to make people support you or believe in you or excuse your actions. There is no formula or process that works. All of this hinges on the individual, and I'm extremely unconvinced that personal wealth is an interesting axis. Where personal wealth intersects with power is another matter, but that powerful people can wield power is not an interesting or astute observation.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Adults can be prosecuted for selling alcohol to minors (I mean, they can be prosecuted for selling drugs to other adults even). Because there is a physical handoff, there is risk in doing so, and thus there is high friction, which we deem to be sufficient to curtail the risk. No such friction or accountability can possibly exist when we're talking about a bunch of yubikeys, unless we attach identity to them (THIS IS…

It it not difficult to make selling age verification tokens to minors illegal.

It is the easiest thing in the world to make it illegal. But while making the sale of alcohol to minors has some teeth, as above, the sale of these "tokens" is so low friction as to be laughable.

This is another of the many many solutions in the "the age limitations that exist currently are easily circumvented" class. While it may be effective in some limited ways, it's not clear that it's better than say parental controls. And it is obviously deficient compared to identity verification solutions that do not preserve anonymity. You can't pretend that this solution is "just as good" when it isn't. The identity verification solution is bad not because it is ineffective at its direct aims but because it has disastrous side effects.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Can't we even write a short text like this without LLMs anymore, not even when it's really important, when it's about humans against the inhumane ?

it's wild to me how many AI written articles get front page on HN

You're on Y-Combinator here, a start-up incubator all about AI and launching new things, that literally used to be run by Sam Altman, and that was the launching pad of OpenAI.

And you're surprised there is a lot of AI content?

bots are like 50% of the internet now brah: https://cybersecuritynews.com/bots-surpass-humans-in-web-tra...

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

#425

I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…

I don't think you can assume your identity was compromised. I know the Facebook denial dialog suggests that "unusual activity" was detected and you need to access it via your mobile device. Of course as you know that doesn't help. I signed on for Meta enhanced support for a month (nb, don't bother doing this, it's a waste of money) and had numerous voice calls with pandering support people who assured me it had nothi…

"hell is other people's social media posts"

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

#426

I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…

It should also be noted Facebook does nothing in good faith because Zuckerberg's core personality is what it is It isn't that biometrics might never make sense but when it comes to Facebook? He's a black hat hacker who deserves prison

Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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> It is not age verification. It is identity verification. > You can change a password. You cannot change your face. > This is not a popularity contest, and refusal is not a vote you are trying to win These were a couple sentences that were immediate flags to me. There've been countless articles written on this (I can dig them up if you want), but IMO there are pretty clear semantic rhythms you start to notice. It is…

These are normal patterns in US English. The zeal to accuse limits the scope of possible responses. There are all sorts of things humans do when writing that LLMs mimic — em-dashes for instance — that are entirely legitimate ways to communicate but get shouted down for… reasons? Surely you’re aware that LLMs were trained on the ways humans write specifically to mimic them? Yes? So what’s the gripe? Someone cranked ou…

I'm advocating that if people present a written text for others to consume, they should specify whether an LLM or a human produced it.

I think that's super reasonable, you don't?

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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> It is not age verification. It is identity verification. > You can change a password. You cannot change your face. > This is not a popularity contest, and refusal is not a vote you are trying to win These were a couple sentences that were immediate flags to me. There've been countless articles written on this (I can dig them up if you want), but IMO there are pretty clear semantic rhythms you start to notice. It is…

If anyone uses a couple of these red flags to dismiss the entire article and the underlying idea, that says a lot more about them than the author.

I personally don't like reading text written by LLMs, I'd rather just read the prompt itself. I suspect you feel differently. I imagine this says a lot about the reader :)

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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> It is not age verification. It is identity verification. > You can change a password. You cannot change your face. > This is not a popularity contest, and refusal is not a vote you are trying to win These were a couple sentences that were immediate flags to me. There've been countless articles written on this (I can dig them up if you want), but IMO there are pretty clear semantic rhythms you start to notice. It is…

I agree that these are signs of AI, but they're also the way that people write. I use the "it's not X it's Y" framing a lot of the time because it's a quick way to get my point across. It's probably the sign of a bad writer because I can't come up with a different/better way to say the same thing, but I'm not AI.

> I agree that these are signs of AI, but they're also the way that people write

Certainly. If these were one-offs in an otherwise human written piece then we wouldn't even be discussing it.

In this case, they're just the simplest examples in an objectively LLM produced piece. I'm happy to point to more if you're skeptical; I'd happily wager cash the prose here wasn't written by human fingers.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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If anyone uses a couple of these red flags to dismiss the entire article and the underlying idea, that says a lot more about them than the author.

I personally don't like reading text written by LLMs, I'd rather just read the prompt itself. I suspect you feel differently. I imagine this says a lot about the reader :)

At least the article makes you be curious about what the prompt was. That's already better than people dismissing the entire thing.
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