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Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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Tech CEOs suddenly love blaming AI for mass job cuts

You can’t read the headlines, they’re marketing like anything else. Companies are free to spin them however they want and journalists are happy to write them however they will scare you the most. Those are the only truths.

Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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IMO it’s not sudden, the AI excuses have been gradual and ramping up for a couple years now.

Maybe because the models keep getting better and the tools are slowly getting good enough to replace people? Keep in mind we’re talking about oracle here, it’s not like we’re talking about humanity’s best and brightest.

I doubt we are there yet, no.

But we are talking about a corporation that is one of the most sociopathic in modern business history.

Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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where its sits with the AI bubble I think Oracle is the 1 of the major companies apart from the OpenAI that would go belly up once the AI bubble crashes.

Larry has embedded the company way too deeply into the intelligence and military apparatus to ever go belly up. He’d be first in line for a government handout.

Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because the models keep getting better and the tools are slowly getting good enough to replace people? Keep in mind we’re talking about oracle here, it’s not like we’re talking about humanity’s best and brightest.

> Maybe because the models keep getting better and the tools are slowly getting good enough to replace people? I am not sure we are there yet. In my experience even the SoTA models are faaaaar away from replacing humans, maybe making them a bit faster.

The correlation between job cuts and ai growth is real. But it's related more to ai cost than ai performance. Especially in Oracle's highly leveraged case.

Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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Tech CEOs suddenly love blaming AI for mass job cuts

I think a lot of them have drank the kool-aid. They go to conferences and then some talking head from one of the AI companies gets on stage and tells them things like they don't need developers and how AI is already good enough to revolutionize the world. They buy it hook, line, and sinker and then do stuff like this.

Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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Now is precisely not the time to cut jobs, but to invest in people's usage of AI. You have domain expertise, and you are going to burn tokens trying to replace people's jobs, but the AI revolution is not at all about people replacement, its about a change of paradigm. Watch them closely rehire thousands of new employees (who won't have the domain expertise) once they see that you actually need people to operate their…

Oracle overcommitted on behalf of OpenAI, taking on debt to meet their obligations. Not that healthy companies are not also doing ridiculous layoffs, but in this case, Oracle does have to do some drastic things to get out of this tailspin.

Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because the models keep getting better and the tools are slowly getting good enough to replace people? Keep in mind we’re talking about oracle here, it’s not like we’re talking about humanity’s best and brightest.

> Maybe because the models keep getting better and the tools are slowly getting good enough to replace people? I am not sure we are there yet. In my experience even the SoTA models are faaaaar away from replacing humans, maybe making them a bit faster.

> I am not sure we are there yet.

When talking about bullshit jobs like, say, taking a bill received by paper and manually extracting data from it (company name, invoice number, bank account details) to enter into an accounting program, AI is already good enough according to the pareto principle.

Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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where its sits with the AI bubble I think Oracle is the 1 of the major companies apart from the OpenAI that would go belly up once the AI bubble crashes.

Why? They’re way too big to fail. Tons of corporations rely too much on them

They are not. Maybe they will be treated as such if the bubble bursts while while Trump is in power, because of loyalties.

But Oracle could relatively easily be broken up and sold off. Essentially all of the global consulting business units could sell to competitors in the various niches, the hardware business and the cloud hosting business could be separated, etc.

Plenty of companies worldwide would be up for buying pieces of Oracle at a bargain price.

"Too big to fail" only really applies in extreme circumstances (which might happen, admittedly) and with essentially monolithic businesses (or banking).

I don't think even Microsoft is too big to fail.

And I don't think people should casually entertain the idea that really any tech industry company is too big to fail, because tech corporations that cannot die point the way to a Rollerball future.

Re: Oracle shed about 20k roles globally in the last year

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Now is precisely not the time to cut jobs, but to invest in people's usage of AI. You have domain expertise, and you are going to burn tokens trying to replace people's jobs, but the AI revolution is not at all about people replacement, its about a change of paradigm. Watch them closely rehire thousands of new employees (who won't have the domain expertise) once they see that you actually need people to operate their…

Depends on which jobs; at a big enough scale you have people who are so deep in the hierarchy that their real connection to the domain is low.

Seems possible to flatten out a company, in a way the domain knowledge is kept.

That being said, I haven't seen many layoffs that actually seem directly AI related, because the main effects are not hiring junior Devs, and not outsourcing to low cost/skill areas.

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