The Coming Loop
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The Coming Loop
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#2Show me the billion dollar solopreneur startup, or the profit increase for companies and at that point I’ll start thinking that this tasteless high level wanking might make sense in some way
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#3> For now I have not moved past the point of comprehension being important to me.
Ah ! This is me too... at least for what I have to ship at work. Not so much for my toy/weekend projects. But it turns out agents are also good at explaining.
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#4Quoting the creator of CC holds little value in my opinion. I too call my product good.
> opting out of this fully machine-driven future may not be an option.
I am contemplating whether I want to stay inside this rat race.
I completely agree with the conclusion of this blog post, by the way. I feel uneasy, and I do not enjoy the work I deliver using LLMs. I think OP did a really good job on capturing at least my current state.
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#5I'm a software developer from way back, using tools and languages that coding agents are far less familiar with.
So when I use an agent to write code, it's in languages I'm less familiar with, and often using libraries I know nothing about.
All to say, my part of the process often ends up being:
1. "Here's what I'm looking for, in detail" 2. "That's not right. Here's one way it's not right, and a specific example. Please fix that." 3. Sometimes I give suggestions for how what is going wrong might be happening, or conceptually how to work around the issue. 4. And iterate on 2-3 until the result is close enough.
That's a loop I'd love to automate.
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#6Show me the billion dollar solopreneur startup, or the profit increase for companies and at that point I’ll start thinking that this tasteless high level wanking might make sense in some way
We've just invented the car and you're upset it hasn't achieved Mach speed yet.
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#7Quoting the creator of CC holds little value in my opinion. I too call my product good. > opting out of this fully machine-driven future may not be an option. I am contemplating whether I want to stay inside this rat race. I completely agree with the conclusion of this blog post, by the way. I feel uneasy, and I do not enjoy the work I deliver using LLMs. I think OP did a really good job on capturing at least my curr…
> I feel uneasy, and I do not enjoy the work I deliver using LLMs.
I have basically stopped writing code in my spare time since the advent of AI. Before I felt like I was working on a classic car. Was it a practical use of my time? No. I could go out and download software that did what I wanted. Did I have fun doing it? Yes, the act of working on it was important, I felt I was still learning and improving as I did.
Nowadays I see people doing far more in a month than I could in a year and I feel like its all a waste, like I just spent the past few years transcribing a phonebook while standing next to a photocopier.
I don't know if that'll ever change. I can't even pretend I was doing something prestigious and artisan like watchmaking because I wasn't a good programmer beforehand.
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#8Show me the billion dollar solopreneur startup, or the profit increase for companies and at that point I’ll start thinking that this tasteless high level wanking might make sense in some way
We've just invented the car and you're upset it hasn't achieved Mach speed yet.
I was literally quoting Sam Altman
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#9Show me the billion dollar solopreneur startup, or the profit increase for companies and at that point I’ll start thinking that this tasteless high level wanking might make sense in some way
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#10> For now I have not moved past the point of comprehension being important to me. Ah ! This is me too... at least for what I have to ship at work. Not so much for my toy/weekend projects. But it turns out agents are also good at explaining.
I think it's insane to suggest that software developers should ever get to the point where they don't even comprehend their code.
Before someone else says it, no I don't read the assembly code that is produced by my compilers. However, I can generally predict what kind of assembly will be produced, and the result is deterministic unlike LLMs. It seems like most vibe coders scoff at the idea of even looking at the code, and it just seems untenable to me when we're working with (usually correct) stochastic parrots.