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OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by frankacter »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #52
frankacter wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government We don't know that it is Mythos level, it could very well be at (guardrailed) Fable or below. This is not a wide open distribution, this is only being provided to hand picked partners, similar to how Mythos was distributed (unlike Fable which had wider distribution) The larg…

Isn't Fable just Mythos + prompt guardrails?

Yes, limiting the full scope of capabilities, which is why I differentiated between Mythos (unrestricted) from guardrailed.

Main point being, we have no idea the measurable capabilities of this, it could be as great or better as unrestricted Mythos, or on par with guardrailed Fable.. or just OpenAI hype that measures up to neither.

The distinction is important because if it truly is a Mythos level (or even guardrailed Fable) it in theory would require that 30 day US government validation before release as well as oversight to the approved partners allowed to use it.

Op was drawing a parallel as to why we should be outraged at the double standard, I was drawing a better parallel by which to compare.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by postepowanieadm »

mentalgear wrote: post #19

No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government, while Anthropic's (their competitor) model has been pulled weeks prior by the administration for 'security' reasons. It certainly has nothing to do with openAI's co-founders donating to the current administrations election fund, are actively supporting the DoW war efforts of…

Maybe if Anthropic haven't called it too dangerous for public things could be different?

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by Intermernet »

MrOrelliOReilly wrote: post #20
taspeotis wrote: post #11

I don't know what the solution to this is, but I find it somewhat unfair that I pay money to Anthropic, and I pay money to OpenAI, and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on. Admittedly Opus 4.8 xhigh does a good job, but are my customers not entitled to have more security from a Fable/Mythos or GPT-5.5-Cyber audit over the codebase? Or I guess the inverse question: why…

I'm not sure I follow your logic. Paying for a service does not mean you get access to all potential services a provider offers. Providers can choose to keep some services internal. Silly example: I pay Netflix for their most basic plan, so I get ads. Just because I already pay them money, doesn't mean I have a right to no ads! It also doesn't mean I have a right to 8k streaming; maybe Netflix reserves that for their…

When Netflix launched, you got the service without ads. That has changed. That's what's known as a rug-pull.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by civet_java »

baq wrote: post #39
theplumber wrote: post #28

Ok so why I don’t have access to this if I already pay for the max plan? Should I pay a security researcher to run codex on my code? Is this how it is supposed to work? Let’s hope we get some real cyber models that people can actually use from the Chinese without the stupid application forms.

Why do you think you should have access…? People who pay enterprise API rates also don’t if this makes you feel better (it shouldn’t, you shouldn’t have felt bad in the first place)

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for? There are massive companies that collectively profiting off of stolen IP and are now gatekeeping even their paid offerings - surely consumers will rail against this? Personally, I feel very bad and can't wait for Chinese models to continue improving as much as they can prior OpenAI's and Anthropic's IPOs.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by baq »

ben_w wrote: post #43
baq wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> big construction/demolitions firm Like, e.g. the USACE

If the USACE was a private military company and local lords sometimes still did direct battle with each other without being told to stop by the king.

how do you think the states became united

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by NichoPaolucci »

MrOrelliOReilly wrote: post #20
taspeotis wrote: post #11

I don't know what the solution to this is, but I find it somewhat unfair that I pay money to Anthropic, and I pay money to OpenAI, and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on. Admittedly Opus 4.8 xhigh does a good job, but are my customers not entitled to have more security from a Fable/Mythos or GPT-5.5-Cyber audit over the codebase? Or I guess the inverse question: why…

I'm not sure I follow your logic. Paying for a service does not mean you get access to all potential services a provider offers. Providers can choose to keep some services internal. Silly example: I pay Netflix for their most basic plan, so I get ads. Just because I already pay them money, doesn't mean I have a right to no ads! It also doesn't mean I have a right to 8k streaming; maybe Netflix reserves that for their…

Both companies offer "MAX" or "PRO" plans - and the best models were available to those customers. This new wave of "It's too dangerous for the public" is a new initiative from both companies.

I agree with your overall sentiment. Paying for "Claude Mini" doesn't get you "Claude Maximos".

However, the overall precedent that the companies have set is that if you pay for the top tier subscription, you get the top tier model. That's not true any more.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by ninjalanternshk »

postepowanieadm wrote: post #62
mentalgear wrote: post #19

No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government, while Anthropic's (their competitor) model has been pulled weeks prior by the administration for 'security' reasons. It certainly has nothing to do with openAI's co-founders donating to the current administrations election fund, are actively supporting the DoW war efforts of…

Maybe if Anthropic haven't called it too dangerous for public things could be different?

We should be basing public policy on facts not marketing language.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by dgellow »

MrOrelliOReilly wrote: post #20
taspeotis wrote: post #11

I don't know what the solution to this is, but I find it somewhat unfair that I pay money to Anthropic, and I pay money to OpenAI, and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on. Admittedly Opus 4.8 xhigh does a good job, but are my customers not entitled to have more security from a Fable/Mythos or GPT-5.5-Cyber audit over the codebase? Or I guess the inverse question: why…

I'm not sure I follow your logic. Paying for a service does not mean you get access to all potential services a provider offers. Providers can choose to keep some services internal. Silly example: I pay Netflix for their most basic plan, so I get ads. Just because I already pay them money, doesn't mean I have a right to no ads! It also doesn't mean I have a right to 8k streaming; maybe Netflix reserves that for their…

You have the right to complain and ask for more though

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

#69

Post by FergusArgyll »

mentalgear wrote: post #19

No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government, while Anthropic's (their competitor) model has been pulled weeks prior by the administration for 'security' reasons. It certainly has nothing to do with openAI's co-founders donating to the current administrations election fund, are actively supporting the DoW war efforts of…

It's 1) Not mythos class 2) restricted to "security partners"

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Post by mijoharas »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #69
mentalgear wrote: post #19

No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government, while Anthropic's (their competitor) model has been pulled weeks prior by the administration for 'security' reasons. It certainly has nothing to do with openAI's co-founders donating to the current administrations election fund, are actively supporting the DoW war efforts of…

It's 1) Not mythos class 2) restricted to "security partners"

They at least claim that it is greater than Mythos class[0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48642254

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