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Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by calgoo »

hypfer wrote: post #37
sandcat_ wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure this isn’t just because it’s the “wrong” people who are building them? Instead of the typical (older) FOSS/geek/whatever crowd? It feels overly negative to me. People, mostly younger people, are building them, tinkering with them and are excited to post about them. Is it any surprise they’re doing so on TikTok or wherever? Yes, it’s a little ironic considering the anti-big-tech vibes mentioned in the art…

Nah, it's not "the wrong people" but "the wrong purpose" with the purpose being no purpose or rather just "looking good on social media". Which, don't get me wrong, is generally fine, because not everything has to be functional, art is important, bla bla bla. Problem however is when the algorithm gets involved and "being not part of the mainstream" becomes a mainstream metric to optimize for. This feels like that, an…

So basically, when punk music goes becomes mainstream so its no longer counter culture, it is part of the culture. In a way you could say that mainstream culture is very good at "Embrace, extend, and extinguish".

Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by mentalgear »

Very compelling read on how common people cooperatives were always the only counterweight to the ruling class - and how the elites constantly tried to polarise the common people to take power from them.

> The Middle Ages, the Industrial Revolution, and our current Techno-Fudalist time are all connected. We still have lords (land lords, the bourgeoisie), we still have kings who enclose the commons (billionaires who enclosed the commons of the internet), who enforce violence with the hand of private armies of knights (the police and military), who demand that we provide for them while they subjugate us. Medieval Guilds & The Arts and Crafts movement

> Medieval guilds were created during feudal times as a challenge to the labor exploitation of the working class of the time. In some areas, guilds were organized by specific crafts. Metalsmithing, woodworking, and textiles are some examples. Guilds had specific guidelines on quality, and they created widespread quality control over the goods produced by the artisans in the guild. If a woodworker produced bad-quality furniture, their guild could basically force them to remake it to their quality standards.

> Guilds were basically worker cooperatives (in some cases) or could be thought of as trade-specific labor unions

Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by mentalgear »

ma2kx wrote: post #54

What keeps going through my mind regarding this topic is that we have Instagram for pictures, YouTube for videos, Reddit as a forum, Twitter/Bsky as a microblogging service, and so on. But what if we focused on locality again? What if each city/region had its own virtual meeting place for pictures, videos, forums, microblogging, and so forth? I don't mean a "super app" that simply divides things regionally, but rathe…

> we completely miss out on what's happening in our own local area.

Exactly, and the local layer is actually were we as normal people have the most power of participation, opportunity to find consensus and act together for the overall common (local) good. And the beautiful emergent side-effect is that this local good turns automatically into a global good if it's approached locally from the bottom up.

Side-note: The (global) commercial news industry is very contra-productive to actual useful action: by reporting 24/7 almost only negative out-of-reach quick changing 'news' that people can't possible resolve in any way by their own, has as effect the entrapment of cynicism that keeps people from doing local community action. This inertia is of course very welcome by the few conglomerates that run the world and rather would like seeing you in despair and inactive while patching over the real issues with cheap consumerism they also conveniently provide.

Study after study shows that the only real antidote to this despair is local-action: bounding together with others and doing positive tangible things on the local level.

Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by wossab »

ma2kx wrote: post #54

What keeps going through my mind regarding this topic is that we have Instagram for pictures, YouTube for videos, Reddit as a forum, Twitter/Bsky as a microblogging service, and so on. But what if we focused on locality again? What if each city/region had its own virtual meeting place for pictures, videos, forums, microblogging, and so forth? I don't mean a "super app" that simply divides things regionally, but rathe…

I live in a village with 2.000 people and about 25 common Whatsapp channels. And it is hell. Sometimes, you really don't want to interact with your neighbors beyond the courtesy "hello". These people don't have anything in common with you, other than your coordinates on the map. That's no basis for a functional community in the online sense.

Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by b3orn »

ma2kx wrote: post #54

What keeps going through my mind regarding this topic is that we have Instagram for pictures, YouTube for videos, Reddit as a forum, Twitter/Bsky as a microblogging service, and so on. But what if we focused on locality again? What if each city/region had its own virtual meeting place for pictures, videos, forums, microblogging, and so forth? I don't mean a "super app" that simply divides things regionally, but rathe…

> we completely miss out on what's happening in our own local area.

Almost every larger city has a more or less active subreddit these days, on platforms like Twitter you can look what people post with a city name tag. And then there are Mastodon and Lemmy/Piefed with instances for geographic regions.

Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

calgoo wrote: post #61
hypfer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, it's not "the wrong people" but "the wrong purpose" with the purpose being no purpose or rather just "looking good on social media". Which, don't get me wrong, is generally fine, because not everything has to be functional, art is important, bla bla bla. Problem however is when the algorithm gets involved and "being not part of the mainstream" becomes a mainstream metric to optimize for. This feels like that, an…

So basically, when punk music goes becomes mainstream so its no longer counter culture, it is part of the culture. In a way you could say that mainstream culture is very good at "Embrace, extend, and extinguish".

Read "No Logo" by Naomi Klein.

It basically explains this mechanism in great detail.

Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by mentalgear »

wossab wrote: post #64
ma2kx wrote: post #54

What keeps going through my mind regarding this topic is that we have Instagram for pictures, YouTube for videos, Reddit as a forum, Twitter/Bsky as a microblogging service, and so on. But what if we focused on locality again? What if each city/region had its own virtual meeting place for pictures, videos, forums, microblogging, and so forth? I don't mean a "super app" that simply divides things regionally, but rathe…

I live in a village with 2.000 people and about 25 common Whatsapp channels. And it is hell. Sometimes, you really don't want to interact with your neighbors beyond the courtesy "hello". These people don't have anything in common with you, other than your coordinates on the map. That's no basis for a functional community in the online sense.

This might be more about whatsapp poor organisation tools, the general need for private ML-based smart indexing/notifications and efforts at structured community building.

Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by throwthrowuknow »

Retr0id wrote: post #4
ideasphere wrote: post #2

Cyberdecks are nice for photos and build blog posts, but does anyone actually regularly use them?

The ideal "cyberdeck" form factor is just a regular laptop. So to the extent that a macbook pro counts as a cyberdeck, yes.

Technically, a real cyberdeck is a VR rig with no screen.

This fad is more about making custom cases for hardware.

Re: Cyberdecks, going analog, and convivial technology

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Post by thenthenthen »

goodboyjojo wrote: post #35

i've seen many people get into cyberdecks. stuff like this gets people feet wet for stem professions like engineering and programming.

This! Its learning and a rite of passage, like with ‘guilds’ / the arts and crafts movements / craftsmanship described in the article (but not discussed as far as i can see). Sorry forgot the name for this thing… basically a master / apprentice project.
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