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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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> when I need to recall off the top of my head the proper way to instantiate a list or heap in X language You only need to know for one though...

It was an example. I guess even an off hand example, now must be completely 100% technically correct , or you aren't worth a job? And, I'm pretty sure in "X" language, you can call them differently. Since it is "X", how do you know.

Leetcode/hackerrank problems aren't that high variance, dedicate a weekend studying and you should be good.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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I surely can be, but I don’t see it so far. How the latter suggests the former? The demand doesn’t have to scale infinitely - I don’t believe the demand is or was anywhere near saturation.

Most songs in streaming platforms (pre-AI even) sat there with no listeners. Most of the flood of cable and streaming series had people over-saturated and bored. Media consumption in general has resulted in a depressed population that tries to cut down.

Tons of music that nobody listened to is certainly nothing new. Predates “AI”, and even Internet for sure. What would be indicative are shifts in distribution of listeners outside of extremities (excluding top hits and low audience both), but I’m struggling to formulate a good criteria to watch out for (and then we probably don’t have the data). If not a distribution, maybe a dynamic of total listening hours over time adjusted for income and inflation fluctuations may suggest if there was ceiling or not.

There’s something to the series induced boredom, though. Increase in quantity paired with a feeling there’s not much to actually watch is something I can relate to. I’m not sure how to tell oversaturation fatigue from actual lack of interesting (at specific moments) media. Thanks, that’s something to think about.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

Reading this and some of your other comments in this thread, I think it’s awesome you’ve landed up doing what you really enjoy and are well compensated for it. It makes me wonder if I would be happier doing something else, but (because of my personality) I’m very doubtful. Since you see yourself as also being a computer guy I’m assuming that lack skill or intuition was not why you left the industry, so don’t read the…

I think its the smart people who things click well for that have the most problems because theyre not worried about things clicking, so their whole focus is on how B.S. the actual industry is.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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> Wherever these tens of thousands of qualified ex-Meta, ex-Microsoft engineers willing to work less are, I'm not seeing them. Two possible reasons: 1. People who are truly in-demand still have an easy time of finding jobs without going through the tedious process you set up. 2. FAANGMANGAMEME never hired that many truly exceptional people in the first place and you've fallen for corporate propaganda.

> 2. FAANGMANGAMEME never hired that many truly exceptional people in the first place and you've fallen for corporate propaganda. in my experience, FAANGMANGAMEME hires good people but they get placed on a weird career trajectory. they learn how to work experience in enormous well funded company that has spent a fortune building fancy in-house tools for their dev experience, spend their time thinking about scaling pr…

I don't doubt there are exceptional people working at BigCo at any role you or I can name, but by definition, it isn't possible that _everyone_ working there is exceptional.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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I am not sure op opinion about AI is helping him to get a job. I feel like there is no other way than adopt AI as any other technology we did in previous years.

The opinion that it was trained over the data we provided is not so good, specially when you think many of our jobs is to automate other people's jobs... well, using their expertise to do so.

I was unemployed for 2 months and the way I found was to go full AI and learn as much as I can about it. It turned out that most of the things you need to learn is soft skills. That combined with a reasonable tech network may help a little bit.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#296
post #17

It's not like the job market was that much better before AI infested every single corner of the market, but it supercharged all of the worst aspects of everything. I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers…

This may seem all well and good, but let's consider some basic logical mileposts and outcomes: There will continue to be a glut of available software engineers and techies. Some will, maybe, transition to an AI field; some will get disgusted; some just won't be able to get work. Jobs of some sort in tech might possibly be available, but wages for the majority of them will go further and further down until they become…

> but wages for the majority of them will go further and further down until they become roughly equivalent to the average minimum wage, if they are not outsourced entirely.

In your framework, can't this be said for all jobs in the long tail of technological development? This is also assuming we get to a point where there is no need for a human to coordinate models and prioritize tasks, otherwise the job will become that.

> Many people will attempt to transition to a non-tech field if the number of available jobs and the wages are not commensurate

In this world where AI is good enough that most tech jobs aren't present due to outsourcing, why wouldn't the progress extend to other 'non-tech' jobs? I assume you use 'non-tech' to refer to jobs with physical labor but the field of robotics is always getting better. With the cost of writing software for them going down to 0, we should expect jobs in this domain to be scarce as well.

> Rent won't really go down, and the price of other things will likely continue to rise or stagnate

There's only so high a landlord can make rent without losing tenants and stacking losses due to mortgages or property taxes. Otherwise they're just paying the government for capital that could be used more efficiently elsewhere.

> As AI 'knowledge' is populated by more and more countries with different languages and priorities, English- and some other language speakers will be squeezed out

English is the most popular language in the world even being used as common languages. by countries that don't have it as their native language. I don't think there's any basis for this.

> At some point, looking for work is something AIs will discourage us from doing, if they don't already

I don't believe this accurately captures where AI is today. It is not good enough to be left to its own devices in most fields.

> Are we not, like, pricing ourselves out of our own careers (and planet?)

Planet? If AI is being built to prioritize helping humanity, what reason is there to believe that a superintelligence would push us out? Unless you're assuming we'd mess up alignment so bad that they'd form other priorities where eliminating/removing humans is the best way to go about it.

Like the flawed paperclip AI thought experiment that assumes an AI with an unreasonably narrow goal can understand enough of the world's structure to combat humans on every front. Having such a narrow failure case makes it surprisingly hard to realize given we have a hard time aligning trained models to narrow things we want it to steer towards. For better or worse our training methods, and emergent behavior that arises from it, makes having such an inconsistently unaligned view of the world unlikely in my opinion.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

Wrenching is a better than the average trade, but you will accumulate damage in your hands and shoulders from it. The vibration of impact guns do considerable damage to your hands over a decade or two of work along with the tight squeezing of tools. Thick padded hand grips might be a good idea even if impact guns don't feel like it hurts right now. Heavy wrenching can do a number on shoulders too but shoulder sockets…

Avoid impact guns at all costs.

I install heavy machinery for a living and I forbid them on site.

Use regular spanners, ensure adequate cross tightening and final tightening with torque.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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In the game industry this is actually a positive thing. If you think that AI can write code better than you can, I'm not going to disagree with you, but maybe you should try getting better or more specialized at what you do, because I can ask the AI simple questions about my field and it's completely wrong 3-4 prompts in. Using this technology to build anything remotely serious, OR EVEN GAMES, is wildly stupid.

> I can ask the AI simple questions about my field and it's completely wrong 3-4 prompts in. I'm guessing that field is gaming? It would be interesting to know what those simple questions are and what's wrong the answers if you don't mind sharing.

Multiplayer game networking.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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What do you mean by easy? Do you mean FAANG or equivalent salary? What level of seniority? Can speak to my experience that if you are a senior engineer in London the market is relatively easy at the moment (or was at the beginning of the year) even with no connections.

How much does it pay, relatively? The last time I looked into jobs in the UK and in Europe, I could make more money flipping burgers in the US.

I'm seeing offers of 150k GBP or more in London, no idea if they're real though.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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> The job market is insane at this point and I am not sure what the recruiters are actually looking for. To justify their own jobs. In theory there's never been a better time to hire on SWE talent. There are lots and lots of candidates who rode high during the COVID hiring wave, took on debt based on a high income, got fired, and now need money. But hiring isn't picking up. You have a bunch of people in the HR indust…

I was just involved in the hiring process for a new rec on a team adjacent to mine, and the HR/screening process was a complete mystery as to candidate filtering for outside applicants. So many AI tools making arbitrary judgments from resume content to psychological profiles of candidates, led us to 0 organic people “qualified” enough to interview for an SRE/Devops role. All we hire now is referrals as they are the o…

Do you have any ability to give feedback to HR on that?

They should be made to know that this is choking out the business' ability to be competitive.

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