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GLM-5.2 – How to Run Locally

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Re: GLM-5.2 – How to Run Locally

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Post by cataflutter »

froh wrote: post #137
kgeist wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost of local hardware is amortized if a whole team uses it instead of just 1 dev (GPUs are extremely underutilized if you launch just 1 generation stream). I'm not sure why everyone always assumes solo devs with Macs. We've just ordered a large datacenter-grade node for use by the whole dev team, and the calculations show that it's going to cost the same amount of money if we kept using AWS Bedrock (infosec reas…

> GPUs are extremely underutilized if you launch just 1 generation stream why is that? b/c the thing is waiting for the hoooman and idling? or some parallelizable interleaving steps? I have no intuition yet how this works under the hood.

Some of the inference engines can process multiple requests in parallel more efficiently than doing them sequentially. Not sure of the exact mechanism but e.g. llama.cpp's llama-server can do this (you tell it the number of slots to have when starting, then fire HTTP requests at it and it batches them together when it can).

Waiting for the hooman (or tool calls) won't help either, of course.

Re: GLM-5.2 – How to Run Locally

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Post by dzjkb »

discordance wrote: post #151
segmondy wrote: post #84

I run Q4_K_XL. All it takes to run to get about 6tk/sec is 512gb of ram and 2 3090 GPUs with llama.cpp -cmoe. I also have crappy DDR4, 2400mhz, 3200mhz will bring that speed up to about 9tk/sec. I also have ok 32core epyc CPU, a better 64core would bring it up to about 11tk/sec. I did a budget build before the crazy hardware cost and I regret it everyday. Nevertheless, it's fantastic being able to run this model at h…

Running that full load is at least 600 W, so in a day ~14 kWh. At $0.2 a kWH, that would be $2.80/day or $1k a year of op-ex in electricity. Unless you really want privacy or the fuzzy feeling of owning your own, it’s cheaper, more convenient and has much faster tok/s if you pay a hyper scaler. That said, I do like the direction we are heading and look forward to seeing what host your own hardware we get in 2 years.

how do you rent 2 3090s for $2.80/day?

Re: GLM-5.2 – How to Run Locally

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Post by tmountain »

walrus01 wrote: post #166
discordance wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running that full load is at least 600 W, so in a day ~14 kWh. At $0.2 a kWH, that would be $2.80/day or $1k a year of op-ex in electricity. Unless you really want privacy or the fuzzy feeling of owning your own, it’s cheaper, more convenient and has much faster tok/s if you pay a hyper scaler. That said, I do like the direction we are heading and look forward to seeing what host your own hardware we get in 2 years.

Not everyone lives in a place where electricity is $0.20 a kWh. For instance BC Hydro residential rates are $0.11 (CAD) for the first tier and $0.14 for the second tier of consumption in a month. At current exchange rate $0.14 CAD is $0.099 USD a kWh. Hydro Quebec is even cheaper. At a theoretical 6 tok/s, 86400 seconds in a day, approx 500,000 tokens of GLM5.2 output for 2 bucks a day seems like a pretty good bargai…

Lots of people have solar. Green AI, imagine that!

Re: GLM-5.2 – How to Run Locally

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Post by discordance »

walrus01 wrote: post #166
discordance wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running that full load is at least 600 W, so in a day ~14 kWh. At $0.2 a kWH, that would be $2.80/day or $1k a year of op-ex in electricity. Unless you really want privacy or the fuzzy feeling of owning your own, it’s cheaper, more convenient and has much faster tok/s if you pay a hyper scaler. That said, I do like the direction we are heading and look forward to seeing what host your own hardware we get in 2 years.

Not everyone lives in a place where electricity is $0.20 a kWh. For instance BC Hydro residential rates are $0.11 (CAD) for the first tier and $0.14 for the second tier of consumption in a month. At current exchange rate $0.14 CAD is $0.099 USD a kWh. Hydro Quebec is even cheaper. At a theoretical 6 tok/s, 86400 seconds in a day, approx 500,000 tokens of GLM5.2 output for 2 bucks a day seems like a pretty good bargai…

Where I live prices are often higher than 20c/kWh, but lets take your example and halve it (10c/kWh) so it's ~$1.40/day or ~$500/year.

On Openrouter, the cheapest GLM 5.2 provider costs $3/MTok (at 44 tps). Assuming most use is output tokens, that's still the equivalent of 450k token/day, so we're in the same ball park, but without the capex for 2 3090's and the machine.

Self hosted only makes economic sense if your priority is being in control / avoiding surveillance.

Re: GLM-5.2 – How to Run Locally

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Post by walrus01 »

discordance wrote: post #177
walrus01 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone lives in a place where electricity is $0.20 a kWh. For instance BC Hydro residential rates are $0.11 (CAD) for the first tier and $0.14 for the second tier of consumption in a month. At current exchange rate $0.14 CAD is $0.099 USD a kWh. Hydro Quebec is even cheaper. At a theoretical 6 tok/s, 86400 seconds in a day, approx 500,000 tokens of GLM5.2 output for 2 bucks a day seems like a pretty good bargai…

Where I live prices are often higher than 20c/kWh, but lets take your example and halve it (10c/kWh) so it's ~$1.40/day or ~$500/year. On Openrouter, the cheapest GLM 5.2 provider costs $3/MTok (at 44 tps). Assuming most use is output tokens, that's still the equivalent of 450k token/day, so we're in the same ball park, but without the capex for 2 3090's and the machine. Self hosted only makes economic sense if your…

That's true, there's a lot of places where power is considerably more expensive than $0.20 USD/kWh. But also the 600W figure assumes that it's fully loaded 24x7x365.

Running a system that will be 600W under max CPU usage on all cores and RAM and a few 3090-class GPUs, that same system might be only 90W or around there when idle at 0.00 unix load.

If we say: (600 * 24 * 31)/1000 = 446kWh in a month at full load 24 hours a day

But it could be less, such as: (90 * 12 * 31)/1000 = 33.48 kWh of idle time in a month, and 223kWh of "full load" 600W time in a month, if it's at full load only 12 hours a day.

If you're the only user accessing it and you only "use" it 12 hours a day, that cumulative yearly dollar figure would be almost halved. Or even less if a person is using it in bursts and intermittently throughout an 8 hour workday.

Re: GLM-5.2 – How to Run Locally

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Post by walrus01 »

cjbprime wrote: post #179

I've got access to a 192GB RAM Mac Studio, which is below the stated minimum RAM. Can swapping off fast disk be used to make it work out, especially since it's MoE?

Seems like a good way to shorten the lifespan of an NVME SSD significantly by using up its TB written lifespan, if you let it extensively swap. Also the performance will be absolutely abysmal like 0.1 tok/second.
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