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OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

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Ok so why I don’t have access to this if I already pay for the max plan? Should I pay a security researcher to run codex on my code? Is this how it is supposed to work? Let’s hope we get some real cyber models that people can actually use from the Chinese without the stupid application forms.

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Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

#32

No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government, while Anthropic's (their competitor) model has been pulled weeks prior by the administration for 'security' reasons. It certainly has nothing to do with openAI's co-founders donating to the current administrations election fund, are actively supporting the DoW war efforts of…

Man, some of you will invent conspiracy theories to justify some deeply cynical fiction. OAI has been more proactive about doing customer KYC than A\. OpenAI, four months ago, started to require users to verify their identity if they flagged their activities on frontier models (gpt-5.3-codex and higher) as risky. Their filters were originally quite coarse and it resulted in a ton of normal tasks being flagged. There…

And some of you really are ingenuous... Like the US government cares anything about that.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

#33

I don't know what the solution to this is, but I find it somewhat unfair that I pay money to Anthropic, and I pay money to OpenAI, and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on. Admittedly Opus 4.8 xhigh does a good job, but are my customers not entitled to have more security from a Fable/Mythos or GPT-5.5-Cyber audit over the codebase? Or I guess the inverse question: why…

While I appreciate the desire to have the best:

> Or I guess the inverse question: why aren't they allowed that audit?

There's undeniably a lot of unsecured software in the world.

Given that ID verification is hard and these companies are clearly new at it (or don't understand the implications of it, cough Worldcoin's eye-scanning orbs cough), which is worse:

(1) sufficiently good AI* is released to everyone: critical infrastructure and open source projects gets better hacking tools to white-hack their own code at exactly the same time as black hat hackers

(2) sufficiently good AI* is released to critical infrastructure and open source projects first: everyone else, the average paying customer has to wait but so too do the black hats

Because (2) is either the status quo or better depending on if you have access or not; and because (1) seems to me to lead to an acceleration of zero-days, I lean towards (1) being the worse.

* having no experience of pen-testing, I take no position on if this is "it" or not

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

#34
post #24

I don't know what the solution to this is, but I find it somewhat unfair that I pay money to Anthropic, and I pay money to OpenAI, and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on. Admittedly Opus 4.8 xhigh does a good job, but are my customers not entitled to have more security from a Fable/Mythos or GPT-5.5-Cyber audit over the codebase? Or I guess the inverse question: why…

I think using open weight models will solve this. I believe they are nearly caught up and much of the gains are in the harnesses or properly orchestration of subqueries. (I'm no expert, just my opinion). When the open weight models catch up, if they don't get lobbied and banned by OpenAi and Anthropic, then you'll be able to use them to properly secure your software.

Pretty sure the secret sauce is in the summarised thinking. Maybe better though process… But I have a feeling it’s server side tools and a scratch space to prepare the reply.

Sometimes the summarised thoughts include stuff that makes no sense unless it’s got a workspace on the server. Stuff like “I am now writing x to file y”.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that hammer could allow people to go into people's homes / work en masse, steal all their information, blackmail them, steal their identities, break their systems (including those of hospitals and other critical infrastructure) and generally help fund bad actors through it all we'd think of having restrictions on hammers too. A hammer can't screw people over by the millions. I don't like this argument specifically…

Did you see how close the non-sheltered available models come? They come quite close. Most people aren't even using them for this purpose, but they could, and this is our reality. This is why your argument fails.

Disagree. @lionkor compared them to a hammer, and @ragequittah is saying they're not like a hammer.

The narrow gap between downloadable and frontier models is tangential to this. If you want to expand on the "hammer" metaphor, the downloadable models are a small construction/demolitions firm, and the frontier models are a big construction/demolitions firm.

In this analogy, there's no training school or certifications for the staff either of them hire, and society is still working out what public liability requirements and planning permission laws are even though both companies are being hired all over the place, because everything they do was only invented a few years ago.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that hammer could allow people to go into people's homes / work en masse, steal all their information, blackmail them, steal their identities, break their systems (including those of hospitals and other critical infrastructure) and generally help fund bad actors through it all we'd think of having restrictions on hammers too. A hammer can't screw people over by the millions. I don't like this argument specifically…

Did you see how close the non-sheltered available models come? They come quite close. Most people aren't even using them for this purpose, but they could, and this is our reality. This is why your argument fails.

So the solution is... giving up? Let the technogods do whatever they please? Because we are not talking about storms and earthquakes, but about humans in power.

Re: OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

#39

Ok so why I don’t have access to this if I already pay for the max plan? Should I pay a security researcher to run codex on my code? Is this how it is supposed to work? Let’s hope we get some real cyber models that people can actually use from the Chinese without the stupid application forms.

Why do you think you should have access…? People who pay enterprise API rates also don’t if this makes you feel better (it shouldn’t, you shouldn’t have felt bad in the first place)
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