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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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I just moved away from GrapheneOS to Motorola because I decided I needed an audio jack again. There's definitely some annoying things about leaving, but at least now I can use again the three apps that didn't work for me on GrapheneOS...

Which phone and is it android then? Maybe I'm out of the loop on Motorola. I just bought a pixel, thinking of trying graphene. I was a bit miffed about the lack of jack until my partner pointed out I hadn't used the one on my old phone for over a year. I'd like to in the future though.

moto g 2026; yes it's Android. Main downside is the relative lack of RAM honestly.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Any examples?

Apologies, I didn’t catch this reply.

I believe this video discusses some of these, I’ll have to scroll through Mastodon to find more.

https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0

Edit examples:

I’m referring to Daniel Micay using the official account to fight other people.

Seems I’m not up to date, he supposedly “stepped down” from fighting others, https://www.reddit.com/r/PrivacyGuides/comments/13spm4d/dani...

I firmly recall within the past two years witnessing similar actions but I’ll have to keep searching

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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post #359

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Any examples?

Here's an example of what they're responding to with inaccurate personal attacks: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171 GrapheneOS posts factual information debunking inaccurate claims from groups attacking it. Some of those groups react to their misleading claims being addressed with personal attacks. Threads about GrapheneOS on Hacker News usually have multiple posts with personal attacks towards…

The head dev consistently gets upset and threatens people via mastodon rants. Just because the team has attempted to quiet their bad PR doesn’t mean it hasn’t and doesn’t happen.

Your example is not as unhinged as what I’m referring to.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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I've just refused to install such things on my phone. You want me to have email and teams/slack on my phone? Sorry, I won't install the spyware. Want to pay for me to have a second phone with it? Okay. No? Well then, I just won't have email on my phone.

Sure if you are in a strong stable position in life you can do that. The average person doesn’t want to rock the boat and cause troubles in their life so they install the invasive mdm profile. It needs to be made illegal imo. The company should provide you a device if you need one for the job.

> invasive mdm profile

What do you think is invasive in an MDM profile? It's just a channel to push data to your phone. Your information outside the work container stays private. Even inside the work container nobody can actually fetch any data from those apps.

I do agree with you though - a company must provide phones to their employees, not force them to enroll into their MDM services. The latter should be only for exceptional cases, e.g., gain temporarily access to corporate VPN, WiFi, etc., on your private device.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Your accusations and personal attacks already go beyond any limits here. Please stop, as this is explicitly against the HN Guidelines. Especially, without clear links/evidence, as here. Anyone who trips over the thread should know this, too. Fairphone has a very clear goal of sustainability, which doesn't contradict cutting-edge security per se , but given how tiny the company is, makes it practically impossible. Thi…

You can't call comprehensive replies "disingenuous walls of text" and then later complain about a lack of thoroughness when people stop finding it worth the time. You've done it extensively with me and others. That's not an attack or accusation, it's there to see with years of history of you doing the same things to people from casual observers (me) to some of the most qualified participants in the industry. I'm comf…

> You can't call comprehensive replies "disingenuous walls of text" and then later complain about a lack of thoroughness when people stop finding it worth the time.

It doesn't matter how bad a comment looks in your opinion - you have no right for an unsubstantiated personal attack, ever. I though this was common sense, but it turns out, for some people, it's important to remind that.

I never complain about the length of comments but about how much substance they have relative to their length. For example, in this comment, you have expressed your opinion reasonably well* only after two paragraphs of unrelated venting. I have the impression that you consider any opinion that differs from yours as an attack on GrapheneOS and yourself.

Look, I am not against GrapheneOS and I don't care about you. I recommend GrapheneOS to my friends when they want maximal security (yes, really!). I upvote posts like this for visibility. I do not consider GOS an enemy of GNU/Linux phones. I don't like some of GOS decisions, but this is fine, it is just not for me. I don't claim that Librem 5 is more secure or more private. This depends on the user goals and threat model. There are people like me who value different things than GOS developers, and to such people I recommend to consider GNU/Linux phones. I do not post comments saying that GOS has "atrocious freedom" or anything like that. It has more freedom than the default. It's really good at what it does. But it can't cover all preferences and use cases. Whenever people ask for something that GOS doesn't want to provide, I suggest an alternative. I don't understand why you start a fight every time this happens. These are not the target audience of GrapheneOS, let it go.

*I disagree, but I don't expect to convince you. Let us just agree to disagree here.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Are you saying that GraphebneOS running on Google Pixels has no proprietary blobs apart from the firmware?

We don't assume bad faith 'round these parts, so I have to ask a genuine question: Have you been diagnosed with any reading and/or learning disabilities? His comment was straightforward, clear, and three brief sentences long, yet you got something out of it that completely wasn't there. You ask the same questions again of the same audience, year after year after year, either misunderstanding or totally disregarding t…

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Are you saying that GraphebneOS running on Google Pixels has no proprietary blobs apart from the firmware?

We don't assume bad faith 'round these parts, so I have to ask a genuine question: Have you been diagnosed with any reading and/or learning disabilities? His comment was straightforward, clear, and three brief sentences long, yet you got something out of it that completely wasn't there. You ask the same questions again of the same audience, year after year after year, either misunderstanding or totally disregarding t…

This comes down to doubts and a wish to get precise information with links/lists of drivers/firmware. Requests come not just from my side either, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48585732

When I do recommend GOS, I want to know what I recommend precisely. Have you got an article about GOS similar to this one? https://pine64.org/2020/01/24/setting-the-record-straight-pi...

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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It is only developed for Pixel phones

It isn't only developed for Pixels. Pixels are currently the only devices permitting an alternate OS with the required updates and security features. GrapheneOS has a partnership with Motorola Mobility and there will be official GrapheneOS support for a subset of next generation Motorola devices.

So right now it is only developed for pixels (except for the not yet public Motorola builds)

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Both Google Play Store and Google Play Services are installed, with minimal permissions. Strava still does not work.

You have to give it more permissions. You shouldn't blame GrapheneOS for an app not working when Grapheneos simply gives you more control than stock and you are taking advantage of it. Of course many apps work fine with turning of more permissions that GrapheneOS allows.

Can somebody tell me exactly which permissions are REQUIRED for Strava to run?

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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would it have the desktop mode and linux terminal? That's the only reason I'm eyeing a Pixel

Yep, I've used both. Desktop mode isn't exactly there yet, but hopefully with the general availability it will get with Android 17, it'll smoothen out. As for the Linux terminal I ended up sticking with a fork which provides a few extra features ( https://github.com/outlawsanzhang/koiTerminal )

I have a samsung too, I only really need the dex mode in so far as I need the wired external screen support. Gonna run terminal or vnc fullscreen anyway
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