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Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

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Those tiny fpv drones pack a tiny punch. Sure, it will destroy a current generation Chevy Equinox. But two weeks after the war starts, countermeasures will be created. The vehicles will be changed to make them harder to find, and harder to kill. A small drone will be rendered ineffective by small countermeasures. As much as I dislike the current US administration, Ford moving to making missiles and other military har…

> But two weeks after the war starts, countermeasures will be created. The vehicles will be changed to make them harder to find, and harder to kill. A small drone will be rendered ineffective by small countermeasures Where did you get this? Nobody solved FPV's in four years, why do you think US or any other country will solve it in two weeks? "small drone will be rendered ineffective by small countermeasures" – only…

Not solved. Made less effective. So it takes 100 of them to make any military effect.

The thousands and thousands of FPV drones being used have not been decisive on the battlefield.

The war is a slog, and resembles WWI more than WWII.

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The Ford CEO is not wrong. Allowing foreign imports into the country at prices far below what US producers are able to make will decimate the local car industry in the US. There are 4 possible solutions to this problem; a) convince Americans that it's worth paying more for a locally built product. This is the simplest approach, but there's only so much margin here that the consumer will tolerate. At the moment this g…

Last time I looked at the total labor costs of producing a car in the US versus China or elsewhere and it was laughably small compared to the sale price.

Auto manufacturers did this to themselves thinking they could outsource all the heaviest labor portions and pocket the extra and that either the foreign labor would stay cheap and not foster the development of the industry in those countries or local labor would magically be ready whenever they needed despite being starved for decades. But they were wrong on both counts. And on top of all that they squandered all that extra profit they made so they can't seemingly afford to drop the capital needed to return to the cheaper high-volume low-margin market, atleast not with the massive managerial burden they have built up and sustained.

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#173

The Ford CEO is not wrong. Allowing foreign imports into the country at prices far below what US producers are able to make will decimate the local car industry in the US. There are 4 possible solutions to this problem; a) convince Americans that it's worth paying more for a locally built product. This is the simplest approach, but there's only so much margin here that the consumer will tolerate. At the moment this g…

The US didn't go from #1 in global auto manufacturing to nearing extinction on accident. The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor. We can't just pray for "development" to spark a chain reaction that gets us back on track - we were the most developed and consciously chose to squander that advantage. Onshoring can be done, but it will have a real cost someone will have to bea…

> The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor.

That's not true. Reality is far more nuanced than that. Sadly, it is the equivalent of a bunch of Dodo birds falling off a cliff. And this applies to every industry, not just automobiles.

The simplified version goes something like this:

Three companies manufacture forks and knives in the US. They share the market equally. Each has 1/3 market share.

One of them decides they can be clever, manufacture in China, reduce the price of their products and get more than 1/3 share.

Their plan succeeds. Their market share goes up to 1/2 and the other two companies down to 1/4 each

Try as they might to compete, they cannot, the cost basis in the US is higher.

One of them decides "We can be just as clever" and they start manufacturing in China.

Now two of the companies, on account of their lower prices, have 2/5 of the market each. The third company is down to 1/5 share.

The last company has no choice at all, they have to manufacture in China or shut their doors.

With all three companies manufacturing in China, we are now back to each having 1/3 of the market again. Except that, due to the price war, they are now selling the same product they were selling before the transition for half the price. And, of course, their margins are no better, maybe even worse.

And now, the grand finale: The industrial development all three companies effectively funded in China has taught one or more factories how to make these products. Now the Chinese companies enter the market directly, compete with their customers and drop the prices even more. All three companies go out of business. One of the companies is acquired in bankruptcy by one of the Chinese factories who sell the same product for less under the same brand.

Ironically, the reason (one of them) consumers are at the breaking point is because this chain reaction --which required consumers to prefer cheaper goods from abroad-- managed to destroy untold number of industries everywhere. This destroyed jobs by the millions. And here we are.

In some ways this is no different from the race for higher minimum wage. The huge sucking sound you are hearing are the millions of jobs that are being lost because of it.

Re: Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

#174

The Ford CEO is not wrong. Allowing foreign imports into the country at prices far below what US producers are able to make will decimate the local car industry in the US. There are 4 possible solutions to this problem; a) convince Americans that it's worth paying more for a locally built product. This is the simplest approach, but there's only so much margin here that the consumer will tolerate. At the moment this g…

5) Force outside companies to partner with local companies in join ventures with IP and knowledge sharing. This strategy seems to work remarkably well when you have a captive market others want to break into.

Re: Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

#175

The Ford CEO is not wrong. Allowing foreign imports into the country at prices far below what US producers are able to make will decimate the local car industry in the US. There are 4 possible solutions to this problem; a) convince Americans that it's worth paying more for a locally built product. This is the simplest approach, but there's only so much margin here that the consumer will tolerate. At the moment this g…

I think the idea of public transport or rather functional public transport is completely omitted in that context of this country, isn't it? That alone can be a huge local competition as there should be.

Re: Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

#176

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The US didn't go from #1 in global auto manufacturing to nearing extinction on accident. The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor. We can't just pray for "development" to spark a chain reaction that gets us back on track - we were the most developed and consciously chose to squander that advantage. Onshoring can be done, but it will have a real cost someone will have to bea…

> The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor. That's not true. Reality is far more nuanced than that. Sadly, it is the equivalent of a bunch of Dodo birds falling off a cliff. And this applies to every industry, not just automobiles. The simplified version goes something like this: Three companies manufacture forks and knives in the US. They share the market equally. Each has…

Tarfis seem to be the only way out.

Everyone laughed when Trump did it, now EU is doing the same.

Re: Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

#177

The Ford CEO is not wrong. Allowing foreign imports into the country at prices far below what US producers are able to make will decimate the local car industry in the US. There are 4 possible solutions to this problem; a) convince Americans that it's worth paying more for a locally built product. This is the simplest approach, but there's only so much margin here that the consumer will tolerate. At the moment this g…

Eu tariffs have had a different effect - Chinese companies are signing deals with European car makers to make the cars at their existing eu factories.

Stellantis is in talks for the Chinese to invest in them too.

Re: Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

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> The companies shifted production abroad because they didn't want to pay for US labor. That's not true. Reality is far more nuanced than that. Sadly, it is the equivalent of a bunch of Dodo birds falling off a cliff. And this applies to every industry, not just automobiles. The simplified version goes something like this: Three companies manufacture forks and knives in the US. They share the market equally. Each has…

Tarfis seem to be the only way out. Everyone laughed when Trump did it, now EU is doing the same.

Everyone laughed at Trump because what he did was stupid. Selective tariffs have always made sense in certain contexts and have never been controversial.

Re: Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

#179

The Ford CEO is not wrong. Allowing foreign imports into the country at prices far below what US producers are able to make will decimate the local car industry in the US. There are 4 possible solutions to this problem; a) convince Americans that it's worth paying more for a locally built product. This is the simplest approach, but there's only so much margin here that the consumer will tolerate. At the moment this g…

> This is one of those "the internet is a fad, it'll never catch on" moments. EV's are here to stay. They're going to win. That's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention. That's not clear at all from the long-term habits of American consumers. Why did Ford, GM, and Stellantis all cut EV investment and increase ICE investment in the last year then?

Industry famously never makes mistakes due to short term thinking.

Re: Mexican government unveils a prototype for a new homegrown, ultra-affordable EV

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Why is decimating our local car industry a problem? Why not build something else with the resources if cars are now a cheap commodity?

historically car manufacturing gets redirected into defense for wartime though it's unclear how that would pan out with today's factory specialization

Mercedes Benz and other car companies in Europe are going into defence directly as EU is investing more so any company in the engineering space see potential new market growth

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/11/mercedes-benz-anti-drone-veh...

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