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Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by grogenaut »

WalterBright wrote: post #209
hammock wrote: post #188

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The SAT is actually a lot easier today than it was when most of us took it. It is an hour or more shorter in length, the long reading passages have been replaced with short paragraphs, calculators are allowed, and vocabulary has been removed.

> calculators are allowed OMG. Calculators are useless on the SAT anyway. > vocabulary has been removed. I flipped through a book that coached on SAT vocabulary. I knew all the words. Oh well. I never learned vocabulary as an explicit task. I simply read a lot. I remember one question on the SAT verbal because it irked me. It asked an analogy question which required knowledge of mixed alcoholic drinks. Since I was fa…

My new HP Prime calculator (that I'm good at) and the HP you used when dinosauers walked the earth are not the same thing.

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by margalabargala »

apparent wrote: post #103
margalabargala wrote: post #70

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Are people who were forced to learn cursive smarter? They're just older. Doing this may well expose you to age discrimination lawsuits, since it's just sneaky indirect age filtering. Another example would be if you required a minimum SAT score of 1601. Sure, someone could have gone off and taken the SAT as an adult or a young child but in reality it is mainly an age filter.

> Are people who were forced to learn cursive smarter? They're just older. My kids are learning cursive in elementary school right now, FWIW.

Fair enough but it's still an age heuristic.

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by WalterBright »

apparent wrote: post #212
WalterBright wrote: post #209

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> calculators are allowed OMG. Calculators are useless on the SAT anyway. > vocabulary has been removed. I flipped through a book that coached on SAT vocabulary. I knew all the words. Oh well. I never learned vocabulary as an explicit task. I simply read a lot. I remember one question on the SAT verbal because it irked me. It asked an analogy question which required knowledge of mixed alcoholic drinks. Since I was fa…

> Calculators are useless on the SAT anyway. Graphing calculators can be used to quickly solve certain problems, like simultaneous equations or quadratics. They can also be used to plug in multiple-choice answers to see which one is correct, without knowing how to solve a problem the normal way (or not taking the time to, at any rate). The new adaptive digital SAT complicates things a bit, in that some questions are…

When I took the SATs, it was still the slide rule daze. Graphing calculators didn't appear until many years later.

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by apparent »

hammock wrote: post #216
WalterBright wrote: post #209

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> calculators are allowed OMG. Calculators are useless on the SAT anyway. > vocabulary has been removed. I flipped through a book that coached on SAT vocabulary. I knew all the words. Oh well. I never learned vocabulary as an explicit task. I simply read a lot. I remember one question on the SAT verbal because it irked me. It asked an analogy question which required knowledge of mixed alcoholic drinks. Since I was fa…

> OMG. Calculators are useless on the SAT anyway. No, they removed all the non-calculator “thinking” and “logic” math questions. It’s calculator stuff now. They really nerfed the crap out of the SAT. It’s so soft

The fact that it's not all multiple choice now makes it somewhat harder. Multiple choice questions make it much faster to solve some questions because you can simply plug in possible answers. They also make it easier to know that you're right, if you solve a problem and the answer you got is one of the choices (though they do sometimes include common mistaken answers to fool students).

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by apparent »

WalterBright wrote: post #223
apparent wrote: post #212

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> Calculators are useless on the SAT anyway. Graphing calculators can be used to quickly solve certain problems, like simultaneous equations or quadratics. They can also be used to plug in multiple-choice answers to see which one is correct, without knowing how to solve a problem the normal way (or not taking the time to, at any rate). The new adaptive digital SAT complicates things a bit, in that some questions are…

When I took the SATs, it was still the slide rule daze. Graphing calculators didn't appear until many years later.

Fair enough. I'm just pointing out that calculators are not useless on the SAT. Knowing how to use the provided graphing calculator, or having your own and knowing how to use it, is very important if you want a top score.

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by xboxnolifes »

reaperducer wrote: post #187
margalabargala wrote: post #70

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Are people who were forced to learn cursive smarter? They're just older. Doing this may well expose you to age discrimination lawsuits, since it's just sneaky indirect age filtering. Another example would be if you required a minimum SAT score of 1601. Sure, someone could have gone off and taken the SAT as an adult or a young child but in reality it is mainly an age filter.

Are people who were forced to learn cursive smarter? By definition, people who know more things are smarter than people who know fewer things. That's just how it works. For centuries, people have striven to improve themselves through the acquisition of knowledge and skills. It is a quirk of recent generations that so many members take pride in their lack of knowledge. I'm repeatedly bewildered by my Millennial collea…

I'm not sure the definition of smart is so clear cut. If anything, that falls closer under the definition of knowledgeable.

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by alephnerd »

jleyank wrote: post #182
alephnerd wrote: post #133

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> US folks coming out of university optimize for money and head for things like finance... Not really, and I say this as someone who works in VC with peers in PE, Growth Equity, and other segments of high finance. If you have the resume to get hired as an IB Analyst you will also get hired as a new grad SWE or APM at OpenAI, Google, or Roblox where they would earn the same or more than as an IB analyst with chiller w…

Judging from your career path, you shifted from tech to money towards the start. I hope you were a good boss when you were starting up, as such people are rare and wondrous creatures. Forgive my choice of jargon - I divide the world into people who do the work and those who talk about the work. And the latter group tends to set the rules and collect the profits. I preferred the hacking. And tech != STEM, as biotech/p…

> Judging from your career path, you shifted from tech to money towards the start

What the hell does that even mean?!?

I started my career working on on low latency computing at a networking company and was paid roughly the same I would have earned as an IB Analyst at JPMC. If I kept climbing the tech ladder I actually would have ended up earning more than I do today.

> I preferred the hacking...

Vast swathes of the tech industry are working on actually innovative stuff AND being paid top dollar, such as my stuff in HPC being dual use.

> And tech != STEM, as biotech/pharma is rather different than selling ads and harvesting information

I know. Not all "Big Tech" is AdTech. And salaries for scientists in the biopharma industry are comparable to big tech salaries as well (not for the SWEs in that industry though - they're cost centers not generating IP that matters).

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by WalterBright »

chasd00 wrote: post #213
WalterBright wrote: post #146

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I always enjoy the advocates who claim that students have mastered their subjects, but "don't test well". Would you want a pilot on your flight who flunked flying school exams, but somehow "really knew how to fly!"?

I would be much more ok with someone who failed the test but knew how to pilot a plane vs someone who aced the test but can’t figure out how to get the engine started.

One who cannot start the engine cannot kill me.

One who cannot calculate how much fuel he needs to cross the lake will kill me.

Remember JFKjr? He killed himself, his fiance and her friend because he did not pay attention to the instruments.

An acquaintance of mine died trying to fly through a thunderstorm. Another one didn't pay attention to the weather and nearly died from wing icing.

Flying is no joke.

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by zugi »

falcor84 wrote: post #185
bigthymer wrote: post #151

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From the students' perspective, it is better to not be allowed in than fail out midway through. One test is cheaper than years in college.

I personally strongly disagree. I think it's much better to be given the opportunity to do the actual work, rather than to be required to do the pre-assessment song and dance. And if there are actual prerequisites that a person hasn't previously passed, they should be allowed to be tested on these specifically.

It depends on a lot of things. If they've also applied to another college that's better suited to their ability, admitting then to a school where they'll likely fail is not really doing them a favor.

Re: Job application asked for my SAT scores

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Post by WalterBright »

apparent wrote: post #224
hammock wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OMG. Calculators are useless on the SAT anyway. No, they removed all the non-calculator “thinking” and “logic” math questions. It’s calculator stuff now. They really nerfed the crap out of the SAT. It’s so soft

The fact that it's not all multiple choice now makes it somewhat harder. Multiple choice questions make it much faster to solve some questions because you can simply plug in possible answers. They also make it easier to know that you're right, if you solve a problem and the answer you got is one of the choices (though they do sometimes include common mistaken answers to fool students).

> though they do sometimes include common mistaken answers to fool students

Ya, I quickly noticed that, and so didn't at all take for granted that a matching result was correct.

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