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Japanese symbols that speak without words
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Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words
#43Several years back I lived in Tokyo for a couple of years. I like learning the local language. I could mostly get by with the spoken Japanese (Nihongo). Tried to learn the script but failed miserably. It's a combination of Hirgana alphabets, Katakana alphabets and to top it all 10s of thousands of Chinese Kanji. Loved my stay, very polite people. I think their vocabulary doesn't have the word impolite (polite and less polite). I would say Japanese script is one of the hardest if not hardest.
Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words
#44The common theme for the discussed symbols is consideration for others. In New Zealand we require a yellow [L] sign on cars with learner drivers (with learners drivers licenses). However I get the impression that other drivers are less considerate around a car displaying the [L] sign. I suspect New Zealanders are generally far less considerate than Japanese. Politeness avoids a trillion sharp edges. We also seem to b…
Sometimes referred to as the loser plate, at least when I was growing up.
Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words
#45The common theme for the discussed symbols is consideration for others. In New Zealand we require a yellow [L] sign on cars with learner drivers (with learners drivers licenses). However I get the impression that other drivers are less considerate around a car displaying the [L] sign. I suspect New Zealanders are generally far less considerate than Japanese. Politeness avoids a trillion sharp edges. We also seem to b…
I didn't find that to the case in Australia, as someone who had L's for far longer than is standard. Mostly it meant that people gave you a wide berth, as learner drivers are unpredictable at times. So basically, what the sign intends. It surprises me to hear that about NZ? As I think of NZ, as our friendlier cousin. Just goes to show that our experiences are always hyperlocalised, and it's hard to actually make gene…
> It surprises me to hear that about NZ? As I think of NZ, as our friendlier cousin.
Kiwi here. Our driving is, in general, absolutely atrocious.
I've driven in America, Australia, UK, Canada (also India, but let's exclude that for this purpose). Out of all these, NZ is the worst to drive in. Aggressive drivers (especially Ute/truck drivers). Drivers that shouldn't be on the road because they don't know how to drive (Toyota Aqua drivers!). People that drive totally oblivious to their surroundings. And then you have the selfish ones. They won't stay on the left-most lanes if not passing, they won't move to the left if another vehicle is behind them, and when on a single lane approaching a double lane section (overtaking lane), they will start to speed up so the cars behind them can't overtake. I think it comes down to the 'tall poppy syndrome' that Kiwis are known to have.
Never experienced this kind of driving anywhere else. Other places, the drivers would have the courtesy to move out of the way if other vehicles are behind them.
Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words
#46The common theme for the discussed symbols is consideration for others. In New Zealand we require a yellow [L] sign on cars with learner drivers (with learners drivers licenses). However I get the impression that other drivers are less considerate around a car displaying the [L] sign. I suspect New Zealanders are generally far less considerate than Japanese. Politeness avoids a trillion sharp edges. We also seem to b…
Bullying a car displaying any of the symbols displayed in the article is a ticketable offense in Japan*
*I've never seen or heard of someone getting a ticket for merely inconsiderate driving, but it's there in the traffic law
Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words
#47I don't see anything particularly special about these symbols. Don't get me wrong, I like Japan but while these icons look nice, don't most symbols already speak without words?
What should be viewed as more unique actually is how verbose North America is. Especially in the car part that I know of, watching car reviews online - road signs or even buttons in a vehicle that would be symbols in Europe or Asia are written out.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article is decent, but the headline is saying something demonstrably false - evidenced by the article itself. Not one of the symbols can possibly be understood as to its intended meaning without learning what the symbol represents - that is to say, simply by looking at any of them in no way whatsoever suggests, hints, or shows their meaning in the appropriate context.
The fact you’ve got to learn them doesn’t negate the statement that they communicate without words. All language has to be learned
True, though I think the point they're aiming at is that symbols like [new driver mark] contrast with literal pictograms like [symbol of person in wheelchair]. You can infer/guess the meaning of [symbol of person in wheelchair] 'without words' in a way that you can't with [new driver mark], because [symbol of person in wheelchair] is communicating with a picture instead, while [new driver mark] appears to be purely convention. (At least, the article doesn't seem to suggest otherwise.)
Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words
#49I don't see anything particularly special about these symbols. Don't get me wrong, I like Japan but while these icons look nice, don't most symbols already speak without words?
What should be viewed as more unique actually is how verbose North America is. Especially in the car part that I know of, watching car reviews online - road signs or even buttons in a vehicle that would be symbols in Europe or Asia are written out.
Aren't we (as an HN hivemind) always complaining that UI is removing text labels and leaving us with symbols only?
Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words
#50I don't see anything particularly special about these symbols. Don't get me wrong, I like Japan but while these icons look nice, don't most symbols already speak without words?
What should be viewed as more unique actually is how verbose North America is. Especially in the car part that I know of, watching car reviews online - road signs or even buttons in a vehicle that would be symbols in Europe or Asia are written out.
I remember being in some American cars and seeing quite a few buttons being labelled in plain English, while an equivalent European car would certainly have used various symbols on those buttons (think 'Fan' instead of a fan icon). I'd imagine in Europe this is done at least in large part to not have to translate all those buttons and swap them out for each market in Europe (or at least have untranslated buttons and such be reduced to a minimum). Meanwhile, an American car would have been made with an America First attitude, and adaptations pertinent to other markets wouldn't have been front of mind (it's not like this specific example would have been a problem in Canada for that matter). I haven't been in an American car in a while though, so I don't know if this trend still loves on. It's probably become irrelevant given the infotainment and such will have to be translated anyway.