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Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

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Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

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Yes. Prior to flock, my city trialed LPRs attached to the local power company’s poles. In the first month, they recovered more stolen cars than any prior years total recoveries. I’ve got mixed feelings about Flock, LPRs, and what it allows people and governments to do. I’m 100% sold on the results.

Imagine if the police had the names and faces of every marcher in every protest. They too would be (are) 100% sold on the results.

Flock doesnt scan faces, only cars.

Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

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Imagine if the police had the names and faces of every marcher in every protest. They too would be (are) 100% sold on the results.

Flock doesnt scan faces, only cars.

So they claim. But the footage will continue to exist if somebody or themselves decide to identify faces.

Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

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Long sentences are far less effective than reliable enforcement. Something that seems to be very true in practice. If you steal or vandalise something in China, there is an extremely high chance you will get caught, you won't get a massive penalty, but it will be enough to cover the damages + some. If you for example knew that stealing had a penalty of 100% of the item value + 10% fine, with a 100% chance of getting…

How does that work when you don't have enough assets to cover the cost of the thing you broke or stole?

Of course you could still rack up a large penalty / jail time if you cause an incredible amount of damage quickly, but in general you'd catch people before they get that far. Catching a bike thief after the first 1-2 bikes rather than when they have stolen 100.

Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

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Considering how desperately that user is responding to every comment on this post, it seems they have a vested interest in playing blind for Flock, which makes me think they are paid by Flock.

Lol, I should be getting paid. But no, I just like to dispel the myths people have about their imaginary right to not be filmed in public. Whether it's by the government or by other private people.

And this is how freedom dies, not by the letter of the law, but by the spirit.

Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

#106

>>Flock and law enforcement regularly cite documented cases where LPR helped solve violent crimes, recover stolen vehicles, and locate missing persons. Those outcomes are real. My opposition wouldn't change regardless but are those outcomes real?

In Seattle at least, the majority of homicide cases are solved with the assistance of surveillance cameras (though what % of said cameras are specifically Flock, I'm not sure): https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2026/03/05/new-analysis-rtcc-...

The wording he used was that it helped make arrests in 53% of cases. Nothing about whether those cases were solved, or whether the arrests were correct, or whether he's counting times where the cameras see police making an arrest and count it as 'helping'.

Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

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In Seattle at least, the majority of homicide cases are solved with the assistance of surveillance cameras (though what % of said cameras are specifically Flock, I'm not sure): https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2026/03/05/new-analysis-rtcc-...

That's not what that says though. >technology and professional analysts with helping detectives make arrests in 53% "technology and analysts" "help" "make arrests" not surveillance, not convictions and only the implication that they wouldn't have made the arrest otherwise. Like look at the example: somebody calls in an OD and a guy sees that the dude ODing matches (the clothing of) a suspect in some other crime and s…

Even better, they saw a guy who was nearby the dude ODing.

Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

#108
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." -- Cardinal Richelieu

Privacy protects personal dignity, not just illicit behavior. We close bathroom doors, keep journals, and have intimate conversations not because we are breaking the law, but because we value personal modesty and boundaries.

We are quickly approaching a time when we are all guilty until proven innocent by voyeuristic power-hungry psychopathic megalomaniacs who cry the old cry of "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect

Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

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In Seattle at least, the majority of homicide cases are solved with the assistance of surveillance cameras (though what % of said cameras are specifically Flock, I'm not sure): https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2026/03/05/new-analysis-rtcc-...

Cops can politely ask owners of private cameras for access for things like murder investigation. If the polite answer is no (most people will say yes), they can go to court for a subpoena. This has happened for a long time. This is how it should work. If the cops are too lazy or chicken to ask a judge while investigating a murder, they don't deserve the footage.

This was exactly the case on a King County jury I was on. Lots of camera footage, most from security cams of individual businesses, some from red light cameras.

The event predated Flock rollout though, so no idea if the distribution of camera sources has shifted.

Regardless though, in the end the phone location data meant a lot more than any of the camera data, which just confirmed the path from phone sources.

Re: Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed

#110

>>Flock and law enforcement regularly cite documented cases where LPR helped solve violent crimes, recover stolen vehicles, and locate missing persons. Those outcomes are real. My opposition wouldn't change regardless but are those outcomes real?

In Seattle at least, the majority of homicide cases are solved with the assistance of surveillance cameras (though what % of said cameras are specifically Flock, I'm not sure): https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2026/03/05/new-analysis-rtcc-...

Historically Seattle's surveillance has been fulfilled via Axon.
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