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Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by Scoundreller »

loeg wrote: post #12
KeplerBoy wrote: post #4

Kind of surprising this stuff still is little more than a concept. 12 years after google launched and scrapped it's glasses there are still no well established alternatives for cycling, which is such an obvious market. Everyone is wearing glasses, everyone has a computer mounted to their handlebar, let's integrate them together already.

It might make more sense to put this in the glasses than attached to the helmet, which is ultimately a consumable. But I basically agree with sibling comment that no one really wants this. (I race bikes and know a lot of other racers.)

I’ve the same opinion between heated gloves and pogies.

Pogies are great but don’t do you any good off of your bike.

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by mmooss »

Scoundreller wrote: post #49
mmooss wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ruling out risks by a priori is a solution, why wear a helmet at all? Maybe you won't hit your head when you fall. Maybe you'll land in water or on a satin pillow (low friction).

Not ruling out anything but pointing out MIPS’ benefits will be poorer than portrayed in the lab in many realistic situations. Sure, buy all the safety equipment you can afford that has any possible benefit. What’s better: a $15 more expensive bike light or a $15 more expensive helmet with MIPS?

> MIPS’ benefits will be poorer than portrayed in the lab in many realistic situations

How are they testing it in the lab? How do concussions work in realistic situations (is there one way?)? What is the distribution of realistic situations?

Maybe the benefits are better in realistic situations; maybe the lab tests are more aggressive than reality or the results are interpreted conservatively (because scientists spending years on something might have thought of a 30-second hot take), ...

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

#53

Post by Skidaddle »

msandford wrote: post #9

This really seems like a solution in search of a problem. Maybe it would be useful for pro tour riders, but I would guess it'll be banned as not in the spirit of cycle racing. Recumbents would really change the game in the pro tour for speed but the UCI doesn't allow them for the same reason.

This is unfortunately how I feel about AR in general, despite having worked in the space for a while.

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by dmurray »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #8

As someone who commutes in traffic daily, this is not what I need or want. First up, it looks heavy and badly-ventilated, and then there's the potential for distracting info blocking my view of the actual road in front of me. Even if it was really good info (which would take really good sensors, plus a lot of compute to cram onboard), I am skeptical it'd be better than, you know, paying attention to your surroundings…

What information would your bike send to the car in this example that would help?

We're closer to having lidar in all new cars than this mesh network, so "There's a bike behind you travelling approximately X speed" is something the car already knows. "The cyclist requested you not to turn in front of him" - why would anyone ever send anything else?

Perhaps the car can send you a message instead "I'm going to cut you off and there's nothing you can do about it" but even if that might actually improve safety I don't think it's the change you'd want to see.

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by limitedmage »

chollida1 wrote: post #16

I use a Garmin edge bike computer and a Garmin tail light with lidar that shows cars as they come up from behind on you on the computer screen and give audio alert as well. That works well enough for most road riding. I wonder if having a reverse view mapped onto my glasses would be an improvement or take away from my focus.

I use a [mirror](https://takealookactive.com/), it adds so much more confidence and safety that I'll refuse to ride without it. Helps me make left turns, avoid aggressive cars, and make sure I'm not dropping my friends. No fancy electronics, no battery to charge, and it's inexpensive to replace.

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by chollida1 »

1shooner wrote: post #45
chollida1 wrote: post #16

I use a Garmin edge bike computer and a Garmin tail light with lidar that shows cars as they come up from behind on you on the computer screen and give audio alert as well. That works well enough for most road riding. I wonder if having a reverse view mapped onto my glasses would be an improvement or take away from my focus.

So about the lidar: what does that actually do for you? Or I should say, what do you do in response to it? Do you yield more road space if it tells you a car is approaching? I've been trying to understand what good such an alert actually does for an otherwise attentive rider.

The lidar shows me:

- if a car is behind me

- how many cars( I think up to 8) are behind me

- what speed they are coming up on me by way of animation

To answer your question about what to do, mostly yes, yield the road if I'm on a country road and get over to the shoulder if there is a good paved one.

It's a valid question if you've never ridden on a country road with cars. You want all the notification you can get if someone is coming up behind you so you can plan what to do

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by loeg »

mmooss wrote: post #37
carabiner wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty convinced mips is just marketing. Hair will do the same thing. That's why in rock climbing world, petzl hasn't even bothered with it when they're usually very forward thinking about their designs (first company to do side impact testing).

> Hair will do the same thing. VA Tech (and others, IIRC) has years of empirical tests that show otherwise. What is your comment based on? Edit: In fact, if I understand your analysis, humans won't get concussions at all.

VA's test dummy doesn't have hair.

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by loeg »

arrowleaf wrote: post #41
snovv_crash wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Hair and scalp. Evolution already made a MIPS system. The thing lacking it was the test dummies that Virginia Tech uses, so now they recommend we put it in helmets too.

Not having my hair and scalp act as the MIPS system is worth the $20 extra to me.

Is it worth helmets that are 100g heavier and don't breathe as well, though?

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by needSomeCoffee »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #8

As someone who commutes in traffic daily, this is not what I need or want. First up, it looks heavy and badly-ventilated, and then there's the potential for distracting info blocking my view of the actual road in front of me. Even if it was really good info (which would take really good sensors, plus a lot of compute to cram onboard), I am skeptical it'd be better than, you know, paying attention to your surroundings…

I also did many miles commuting and riding in the city. A key, absolute rule after too many close calls was to never cross in front of a car about to enter or cross-over the road I was on unless I could see the driver looking at me. No matter how clear my right-of-way was or how obvious I thought I was. One close call about every 10K miles or so was enough for me to realize only purely defensive riding in the city would keep me uninjured (or worse). Sure a lot of riders rail at bad drivers, but that doesn't help in the end if you get t-boned. Hope this helmet helps with that.

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by mvkel »

I'm not sure who this is for. It's a time trial style helmet, but isn't very useful for time trialing. And it's not a commuter helmet. And it's not a road riding helmet, as it has no breathability. Is this a defensive patent thing?
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