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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by kittikitti »

I've found that the people working for big brand companies like Blizzard for an extended period of time tend to lose touch. It's very easy to find meaning and purpose when everyone you know loves the products the company you work at produces. They can bring their soul to work and remain satisfied. The reality is that work isn't purposeful by default and we're in a capitalist system where our income is based on exploiting labor and capital.

If you don't love AI, that's fine. Just don't harm yourself because of some hastily formed opinions by grifters. If you refuse to enter the workforce because of a refusal of AI, then you are harming yourself. If your colleagues and friends would rather you live in impoverished conditions than get an AI job, then reconsider whose opinions you value.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by echelon »

gafferongames wrote: post #210
echelon wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Metaverse is bullshit. Blockchain is bullshit. Crypto is bullshit. VR and wearables are bullshit. AI does your job. Robots do your job. These are real and substantial and actually provide enormous value. You can get more done per unit of time. I want them to do my job and everyone else's jobs, I just want to make sure there's a functioning economy we can participate in and benefit from at the other side.

AI makes up shit that doesn't exist and lies to you. Sure, let's get the word salad generator to write all the code. What a great fucking idea.

I've just built a $3M run rate company in five months on mostly AI outputs in Rust, which is rock solid code.

In my career I've been a six nines systems engineer. Stuff like billion dollar daily volume payments platforms, and my work was always situated in critical flows - so I know a thing or two about solid engineering work.

Just a moment ago I asked AI for a complicated multithreaded state machine with variational queuing logic. Claude Code Opus delivered. I'm reviewing it now. It's phenomenal code.

You need to reassess the world. Your priors are deeply flawed. These models are absolutely incredible.

I mean it - you're going to be hurt badly if you don't reevaluate what is happening and plan accordingly.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by [deleted] »

Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by taintballs69 »

echelon wrote: post #171
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy using GLM 5.2 at API pricing. There will never be a point where essentially unlimited usage (i.e. what I, as a normal developer, can use at peak effort) of extremely good models will become financially unattainable.

> There will never be a point where essentially unlimited usage (i.e. what I, as a normal developer, can use at peak effort) of extremely good models will become financially unattainable. The way you phrase this prevents refutation. But there will be a point where ordinary individuals cannot participate in the majority of the upside. In the future, some class of models will require enormous compute that is outside th…

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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by ValentineC »

Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

> I've heard non-stop my whole life that if I join a trade it's going to be grunt labor and I'll be paralyzed in 5 years. Maybe some are, but this isn't hard at all. I lay on a creeper and turn wrenches. Anything over 50lbs we have lifts for.

The first sentence is what I'd think too.

Have you considered if the fully ticketed salary includes risk of serious injury if something bad happens (like, knock on wood, lifts failing)?

The far higher risk of injury and death is one thing that keeps people away from physical jobs.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by lylejantzi3rd »

rglynn wrote: post #107
tern wrote: post #7

Curious about the perspective from anyone who has a skill set / reputation where finding jobs is easy right now. I imagine people in ML or who've found a good way to demonstrate prowess with agentic systems may be highly in demand right now(?)

What do you mean by easy? Do you mean FAANG or equivalent salary? What level of seniority? Can speak to my experience that if you are a senior engineer in London the market is relatively easy at the moment (or was at the beginning of the year) even with no connections.

How much does it pay, relatively? The last time I looked into jobs in the UK and in Europe, I could make more money flipping burgers in the US.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by Ralo »

coldpie wrote: post #183
Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

I'm looking to leave working in tech. The local public transit bus agency is always hiring mechanics. Going to a technical school for a diesel mechanic training and working there is high up on my list of things to explore. Thanks for the positive reinforcement.

That's how the majority get into it. My first year course, half the students were all from the public transit and knew each other.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by Ralo »

dogwalker5000 wrote: post #205
Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

Until AI comes for your mechanics job too, https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... I feel we are getting the worse of “both worlds”. Fiction has sold AI in the form of Data from Star Trek. A robot with perfect recall of information over a wide range of topics and flawless reasoning. Today’s AI is nothing like Data with its hallucinations but are taking jobs anyway because it’s “good enough” fo…

I'm not concerned. If the trades get replaced, then its just over for everyone.

Then literally nothing is safe.

Besides, unless we build physical robots to trace airlines and replace them, I'm safe.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by Ralo »

tacon wrote: post #207
Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

You might be able to be a diesel mechanic and clean up in tech. This video is almost a year old, about applying Claude Code to boring businesses, a mobile diesel mechanic service in this case study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWNFna6fgS8

I try everyday to apply my tech background to my mechanics. I use it for things like torque specs and brain storming issues but nothing much else.

Utilizing it for business purposes is certainly an option too. Possibly in the far future, having the highest quality website with good SEO would help me stomp out competition.

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