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Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by Nevermark »

inigyou wrote: post #343
Nevermark wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's not ZK you can get arrested for sharing it What is the scenario where not using ZKP's gets you arrested. Who is collecting what information?

I am John Smith, I give out my non-ZK age tokens, I get arrested because 200 people logged in as me today

You didn't answer who is collating all that arrest-targeting information.

It isn't news that adults can be irresponsible with age-verification credentials.

Letting children use adult's credit cards isn't criminalized either.

Adult sites not default-serving underage users does not require fine-grained surveillance or criminalizing clueless parents/adults.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by ranger_danger »

da_grift_shift wrote: post #222
bklosky wrote: post #77

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it's wild to me how many AI written articles get front page on HN

Yeah. If the "don't post AI generated comments" guideline was extended to cover posts, I wonder what % of recent front page articles would be impacted.

Either way how could that even be enforced? Even if it's "painfully obvious", that's not proof.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by ranger_danger »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #212
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #194

I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…

I tried to make an account while forgetting my VPN was engaged. Another US IP address but one from a block of IPs I’m sure is used for nefarious purposes. So because I briefly shared an IP block with ne’erdowells, I am, without an option to appeal, banned from interacting with Facebook forever. Google Ads is ghosting me too. I really could get behind legislation that requires companies to have a human point of contac…

I have the same problem with my actual residential ISP. You wouldn't think sites like Etsy would ban entire IPs, but they apparently have; can't view the site at all, just a generic "you are blocked" message.

At least half the sites I try to visit are endless captcha loops, mostly from cloudflare. Trying to make online orders with a credit card often gets the order automatically flagged or canceled. Many sites give a generic cloudflare "you are blocked" message, when I've never visited them before.

I recently tried to download some manuals from the RICOH website, and all four different residential ISPs I tried from were blocked, and these were family members' connections that aren't part of any sort of proxy botnet or similar.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by dwd »

fl4regun wrote: post #230
dwd wrote: post #179

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Depends where you lived. There were a few grocery stores in Australia that banned entry without proof of vaccination at the time. It was also widely discussed. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/morrison-businesses-r... https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/supermar...

both of those appear to be that businesses are allowed to refuse, not forced to refuse. In general, businesses are allowed to refuse business to whomever they want, where the law has exceptions for which things you aren't allowed to discriminate against: religion, race, sex, etc. At least this is how the law works in Canada, I am willing to bet Australia is very similar.

Yes, very much the same as both countries' laws evolved from Common Law, and have legislated for Human Rights in line with UNESCO.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by sufficientsoup »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #129

I have yet to receive my federal tax refund because I submitted my taxes through a preparation service and, thinking that physical checks were still an option (the tax software didn't tell me otherwise), I did not give the federal government an ACH account number for direct deposit. The IRS then told me I'd have to open an account to update/provide direct deposit info, which in turn requires me to register with ID.me…

Just went through this myself. I gave in and made the account, only to then find out I was too late to give them my direct deposit info anyway. (If it's any peace of mind, I did eventually get that check.)

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by sufficientsoup »

sailfast wrote: post #183
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #129

I have yet to receive my federal tax refund because I submitted my taxes through a preparation service and, thinking that physical checks were still an option (the tax software didn't tell me otherwise), I did not give the federal government an ACH account number for direct deposit. The IRS then told me I'd have to open an account to update/provide direct deposit info, which in turn requires me to register with ID.me…

While I agree that this is annoying, you're trying to interact with the federal government which actually does require IDENTITY verification and not age verification in order to perform its duties. That id.me account allows you to take actions on behalf of a citizen, so they need to confirm some things first. It's not great, but it's not what the original poster is against.

My issue with it is that it's a vendor. The need for identification is fair, and I'm not worried about the govt having it. I'm worried about _id.me_ having it.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by jerf »

andrewla wrote: post #377
jerf wrote: post #362

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I need to figure out some way to communicate how these things really work. I think lots of people around here would agree that "the rich" are doing nefarious things. But people get real fuzzy on what those things really are and how they work. Like, the rich don't just stand around in a well-apportioned fancy study with a big wooden desk, smoking a cigar and ambiently shouting into the void "GEE I SURE HOPE THINGS GOO…

> I think lots of people around here would agree that "the rich" are doing nefarious things I'm sorry, while it may be true that many people around here believe this, you have lost me in particular at this line. It may be true that some rich people, like people from all walks of life, are occasionally doing nefarious things. I think generalizing this to an entire group, "The Rich", sounds as off-kilter as people talk…

There's a reason "the rich" were scare quoted. I also think it's an oversimplification. It suffices merely that there is some well-resourced entity that appears to want to use "child age verification" as an obvious trojan horse for increased power and control over the internet.

If you have trouble imagining who might want "increased power and control over the internet", I don't know how to help you. People aren't all nice.

"imagining that "The Rich" have access to some facility to change the world is just untenable."

It's called money. I literally just laid out how to use it and gave an open, public example of it in use that you can use as a template of understanding it. It seems you may be one of the people I'm talking about. Even when presented with what is basically a blueprint and an example of a building that it builds over and over again, on a schedule, you're still unable to process the idea.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by btbuildem »

cormorant wrote: post #120
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #62

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It's all caused by a Meta lobbying initiative across multiple countries as documented in https://tboteproject.com/ (sadly, the website is down right now), but you can find references e.g. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2026/03/the-tbote-project/

> ...jwz.org... Holy fuck, man, visiting that with a HN referer serves up a rather NSFW rude image, and evidently sets a cookie to make sure it happens next time too. replacement link: https://web.archive.org/web/20260401175031/https://www.jwz.o...

Oh neat, it's just for redirects from here. Fair enough!
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