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Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by tech_ken »

Brendinooo wrote: post #20

I don't love the idea of smart glasses and I'm definitely very concerned about the implications of their widespread adoption. And yes, most of what we've seen hasn't looked very good. But when I see a headline like "tacky men with ridiculous glasses" I get a sense that the intent is more to persuade via bullying than anything else, which...I dunno. Doesn't feel great!

I think there’s a difference between full-on “bullying” and what I’d call “blunt criticism”. I think bullying requires an intent to silence or otherwise coerce through fear. Blunt criticism is more about skipping the niceties and saying it plainly, and accepting that your subject might get offended as a result. Calling someone “tacky” is way more in the blunt criticism camp I think. It’s certainly not “nice”, but there’s no way that I read this blog article as trying to change Mark Zuckerberg’s mind through fear. Nobody is getting pilloried for being tacky, and tackiness can even be repositioned as desirable through the lens of nostalgia or similar.

Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by apsurd »

BeetleB wrote: post #89
Affric wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not what you see when you wear the glasses, you will see a symbol, a series of symbols, a facsimile of life that you will convince yourself is real. It’s not elf like, it’s not magic, it’s not a sense, quite the opposite, it’s replacing sensing and processing with reading. The death of aptitude, prowess, and the human experience.

> That’s not what you see when you wear the glasses, you will see a symbol, a series of symbols, a facsimile of life that you will convince yourself is real. aka the "Digital photos aren't real photos!" argument.

it’s not wrong. it’s what is unique about the AR medium in particular. “heightening reality” is whats in discussion. we can talk about it, but its not the sane discussion as photos, or video games, or VR.

Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by bigfishrunning »

BeetleB wrote: post #82
zerobees wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this instance, it's directed at people who are literally at the top of the world, having amassed almost unthinkable power and influence, and want to start a fashion trend specifically to grow their business empires. So yeah, it's a tiny bit different than bullying a classmate for having bad eyesight.

> it's directed at people who are literally at the top of the world The very first sentence in the article associates people who wear these with "pervs". So no, this is not merely directed at "the top of the world". As an aside: VRs were "the cool thing" in the 90's and 00's. They never became practical, and fell out of favor. "Normal" people never stopped mocking those who used them. Now that Meta has made glasses t…

This would be a great argument if there were any non-pervy application for these glasses. They're marketed at people who already have screens and better cameras in their pockets and on their wrists. "Clandestine" use cases are the only application here.

Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by bigfishrunning »

BeetleB wrote: post #58
smokedetector1 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

zuck is trying to push bad, ugly glasses to profit at the expense of causing nefarious social impact. the blog is mocking the ugliness of the glasses. it represents how out of touch zuck is. i’m not sure how you got to “four eyes” from there

> zuck is trying to push bad, ugly glasses ... > i’m not sure how you got to “four eyes” from there I'm guessing you're younger than me. In my youth, having glasses meant being ugly.

It doesn't mean that anymore. But having "smart glasses" does mean "jerk".

Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by smokedetector1 »

Brendinooo wrote: post #73
smokedetector1 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is spiritually the same even if its not exactly the same

Stating the obvious truth and mocking are, spiritually, two very different things.

no, they’re not

Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by bigfishrunning »

Brendinooo wrote: post #59
quantified wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it make you feel like getting them out of spite? Real question.

Real answer: more than I'd like. I am a contrarian who has intentionally worked to temper that impulse. But...nah, not really. I will say though: The only time I know for sure I knew someone had a pair of Meta Ray-Bans was in my kid's youth baseball league; The coach would film the kids batting while he pitched and shared the videos with us. People loved it. There are definitely cases where hands-free video recording…

A GoPro with a chest or hat harness would take much better videos

Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by gavinray »

Affric wrote: post #74
entontoent wrote: post #54

This feels like I'm reading a comment written by anti-video game moms in the early 90s talking about the stupid unfashionable nerds and how they were ushering in a frightening new age of fewer values and greater social isolation. I dunno, I'd love to have elf-like abilities to see systems of energy in the world around me that the human eye can't see, like wind patterns, and be able to zoom in on plants and animals in…

That’s not what you see when you wear the glasses, you will see a symbol, a series of symbols, a facsimile of life that you will convince yourself is real. It’s not elf like, it’s not magic, it’s not a sense, quite the opposite, it’s replacing sensing and processing with reading. The death of aptitude, prowess, and the human experience.

  > a facsimile of life that you will convince yourself is real
This already describes our base experience of "reality". It's a predictive sensory hallucination.

Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by BeetleB »

mrkpdl wrote: post #60
BeetleB wrote: post #37

> sold a few million camera glasses for pervs I stopped reading. If you want to convince people, try to meet them where they're at.

> sold a few million camera glasses for pervs I think that’s a reasonable characterisation of what people think of these devices. Even if not strictly for perving it’s still seriously uncool to go around pointing a camera at people 100% of the time. So maybe ‘glasses for inconsiderate people who are sometimes also pervs’ is a better description?

> I think that’s a reasonable characterisation of what people think of these devices.

It's not a reasonable characterization of the people that wear these devices, and that's what the sentence is implying.

> Even if not strictly for perving it’s still seriously uncool to go around pointing a camera at people 100% of the time.

Isn't it great, then, that these glasses don't do that?

Years ago I lived in a country where your type of comment is precisely what much of society said about smartphones. Taking one out in a social event brought a lot of angry stares.

Welcome to that demographic.

Re: Tacky men with ridiculous glasses want you to wear them too

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Post by Brendinooo »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #94
BeetleB wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's directed at people who are literally at the top of the world The very first sentence in the article associates people who wear these with "pervs". So no, this is not merely directed at "the top of the world". As an aside: VRs were "the cool thing" in the 90's and 00's. They never became practical, and fell out of favor. "Normal" people never stopped mocking those who used them. Now that Meta has made glasses t…

This would be a great argument if there were any non-pervy application for these glasses. They're marketed at people who already have screens and better cameras in their pockets and on their wrists. "Clandestine" use cases are the only application here.

Ugh, trying not to get baited into stuff like this but -

There are absolutely non-pervy reasons why your hands might be occupied but you want to record a video.

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