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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by echelon »

gafferongames wrote: post #181
bayarearefugee wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us.

> For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us. I'll agree with you as soon as all video games are in the metaverse and run natively on the blockchain.

Metaverse is bullshit.

Blockchain is bullshit.

Crypto is bullshit.

VR and wearables are bullshit.

AI does your job. Robots do your job. These are real and substantial and actually provide enormous value. You can get more done per unit of time.

I want them to do my job and everyone else's jobs, I just want to make sure there's a functioning economy we can participate in and benefit from at the other side.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#202

Post by jonathanlydall »

Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

Reading this and some of your other comments in this thread, I think it’s awesome you’ve landed up doing what you really enjoy and are well compensated for it.

It makes me wonder if I would be happier doing something else, but (because of my personality) I’m very doubtful.

Since you see yourself as also being a computer guy I’m assuming that lack skill or intuition was not why you left the industry, so don’t read the rest of my comment as talking about you.

But I’ve definitely seen plenty of people in the software development industry where they may get by “okay” at their job, but things don’t tend to “click” as easily (in terms of intuitive understanding) for them the same way they do for me.

So I feel lucky and deeply happy to be at a company I enjoy working at and doing what has always been my passion.

It’s not that the computer industry is completely terrible (although plenty of parts of it certainly are), it’s just that for some people it’s not their true passion (which is fine).

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by nickvec »

celltalk wrote: post #36

Two weeks ago, I got 100/100 of a test from a big company for a first screening without using AI. I was pretty confident that I would pass the first round, even hinted few of my friends, but ended up being rejected with an automated mail… The job market is insane at this point and I am not sure what the recruiters are actually looking for. If the candidate uses AI they’re eliminated, if not they’re eliminated. I gues…

You can do everything right in an interview and still get denied. It is truly a crapshoot in today's job market.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by happytoexplain »

aurareturn wrote: post #157
solid_fuel wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just go find a company that is pro-{whatever you're supporting at the moment}. You give yourself away when you say things like this. Your phrasing here comes across as if you think that people who support social change are fickle and unprincipled, just following whatever is popular. > I don't come across as someone who doesn't have beliefs, right? I have very strong beliefs in general. Oh you do come across as havi…

Your phrasing here comes across as if you think that people who support social change are fickle and unprincipled, just following whatever is popular. No, this is not what I'm saying. I'm saying you need to do everything possible to present yourself as someone who is 100% dedicated to the company and not cause headaches and troubles. Anyone who is unemployed for a year should not be openly talking about controversial…

>you need to do everything possible to present yourself as someone who is 100% dedicated to the company

This is wrong. You should strike a balance (that admittedly errs on the side of "I admire your business"). You absolutely do not want to be working for an employer who rewards "100% DEDICATION TO THE COMPANY" in an interview. That's absolutely sick. In fact, I'll go further: It is our duty to do everything we can to destroy the minority of leaders who demand this quality from applicants. This is a form of business every civilized nation should aggressively eject from their culture. It is an ignorant, incompetent, destructive form of business that other cultures have formulated in the 21st century based on a cartoon version of American business.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#205

Post by dogwalker5000 »

Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

Until AI comes for your mechanics job too,

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

I feel we are getting the worse of “both worlds”.

Fiction has sold AI in the form of Data from Star Trek. A robot with perfect recall of information over a wide range of topics and flawless reasoning.

Today’s AI is nothing like Data with its hallucinations but are taking jobs anyway because it’s “good enough” for many corporations.

P.S. Haven’t been keeping up to date but let’s say I have a story where I retcon a previously an established fact midway through the story with no explanation. If I feed it into AI as part of its training data, will it “challenge” this contradiction? Or will it just blindly accept it? What if the story is part of a prompt, will it “challenge” it in anyway?

I mean even a young child will point out that “that wasn’t what you said earlier”.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by FireBeyond »

ryandrake wrote: post #26
aurareturn wrote: post #5

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> The most important one is your attitude. If this is an employer's market, you need to present as someone who isn't going to cause any trouble. No him/her. No entitled attitude. No I hate everything attitude. No I'm always the victim attitude. You need to present yourself as someone who isn't likely to sue your boss, or advocate to form a union, or walk out on your company for supporting Israel or Palestine or Ukrai…

> When you have hundreds of applicants at the top of the funnel per job opening, who has time to figure out whether one particular applicant has an undesirable attitude?

I had a recruiter (from a company I previously went through the pipeline with, though did not get an offer, as a PM) reach out to me last week to assess availability and fit for a few options. I was looking at their Careers page in the background, couldn't see any Product openings. Mentioned that to them. "We're not even putting these up, or not yet. We wanted to look at people who we'd talked to and filtered before, versus getting over a thousand applicants per position if we post to the usual suspects."

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by tacon »

Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

You might be able to be a diesel mechanic and clean up in tech. This video is almost a year old, about applying Claude Code to boring businesses, a mobile diesel mechanic service in this case study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWNFna6fgS8

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by craftkiller »

Trasmatta wrote: post #2

It really is awful right now. I'm lucky enough to still have a job, but floated my resume around earlier this year. I have a pretty good resume and and 15 YOE, and got turned down EVERYWHERE. I used to at least get interviews at like 50% of places I applied to. And then recruiter spam is COMPLETELY gone. I'm not really complaining, but it feels indicative of where things are at.

> And then recruiter spam is COMPLETELY gone.

Oddly enough, in the past year recruiter spam has ticked up significantly for me. It was completely gone for a while, but it's back in full force.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by FireBeyond »

dogwalker5000 wrote: post #205
Ralo wrote: post #85

After 5+ years of actively trying to get into the field (pre AI), I left. I threw my degree in the toilet, I closed my linkedin, and I went to go work in the trades as a diesel mechanic. Greatest choice I've ever made. The pay is great, the work is steady, the coworkers are relaxed and not trying to one up each other. I'm now being paid to go to school, and get raises every year until I'm fully ticketed (way more tha…

Until AI comes for your mechanics job too, https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... I feel we are getting the worse of “both worlds”. Fiction has sold AI in the form of Data from Star Trek. A robot with perfect recall of information over a wide range of topics and flawless reasoning. Today’s AI is nothing like Data with its hallucinations but are taking jobs anyway because it’s “good enough” fo…

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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

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Post by gafferongames »

echelon wrote: post #201
gafferongames wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us. I'll agree with you as soon as all video games are in the metaverse and run natively on the blockchain.

Metaverse is bullshit. Blockchain is bullshit. Crypto is bullshit. VR and wearables are bullshit. AI does your job. Robots do your job. These are real and substantial and actually provide enormous value. You can get more done per unit of time. I want them to do my job and everyone else's jobs, I just want to make sure there's a functioning economy we can participate in and benefit from at the other side.

AI makes up shit that doesn't exist and lies to you. Sure, let's get the word salad generator to write all the code. What a great fucking idea.
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