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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by gck1 »

BeetleB wrote: post #707
ElProlactin wrote: post #623

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> Well, if all the data people uploaded to these models provided ironclad personal identification, would Anthropic need to have these identity verification processes? > But most likely all the inputs together only add to a rough identity hash. You literally provide your name, email address, address and credit card number when you create an account and subscribe. The identity verification they're doing is for legal pu…

> You literally provide your name, email address, address and credit card number when you create an account and subscribe. I don't recall Anthropic's payment systems, but I use Paypal wherever supported. I don't think Paypal sends my address, but am not sure. I'm pretty sure they don't send the CC information. And often, not even the name (e.g. have often had people use my CC to buy stuff (with my permission)). Also,…

PayPal sends everything you listed to the merchant except for CC number.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by p0w3n3d »

userbinator wrote: post #406
p0w3n3d wrote: post #296

A phone or a computer with a camera: you may be asked to take a live selfie with your phone, or your webcam A blood probe might be required as usb dongle to test your blood sample. We're working on stool sampling mechanism as well. Your house might be monitored with one or more armed drones to prevent any tampering with your WiFi and cable connection

This is the next "drink verification can".

TIL verification can was invented and today's gaming state was predicted 13years ago

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by Citizen_Lame »

Aurornis wrote: post #437
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

These are obvious lies. But whatever man, they just updated privacy policy to say they may ask you to verify age or identity.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by [deleted] »

rglullis wrote: post #684
ElProlactin wrote: post #681

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No. I really don't see the connection in this instance. Many companies are required by law to verify the identities of their customers (for money laundering, sanctions compliance, etc.) and to do so in a certain way they can document. Thinking that the US is a Banana Republic in which laws are applied differentially doesn't inherently mean that every rule that requires you to go through a process you don't like is un…

It's not a matter of being "unfair", it's a matter of people not trusting the institutions.

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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by forgetfreeman »

baq wrote: post #378
forgetfreeman wrote: post #139

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Heh. I vividly remember the hype cycle around self-driving cars. Roll the tape forward a decade or so and combined R&D spend approaches the GDP of a small industrialized country. Untold millions of column inches, close to a decade of hyperventilating FOMO hype mill output. Net result: some cab companies ended up filing for bankruptcy, but really Uber did that. Crypto bros early claims that blockchain would threaten s…

I don’t care about hype cycles too much, I care about the value I, my team and the teams I work with are getting out of the technology and it is objectively revolutionary. I don’t run token ladders, I don’t play stupid status games, I use the tech because it’s a step function change in most workflows. You can call it hype, I’m calling it a dystopian rat race, the name doesn’t matter as long as we both have mouths to…

"objectively revolutionary"

That very much depends on how you group your terms. Mediocre code has existed as long as programming languages, and it was something organizations trained juniors to avoid mass producing. What's revolutionary is now your boss is throwing money at tokens instead of paying for ass-seat-hours.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by forgetfreeman »

fragmede wrote: post #385
forgetfreeman wrote: post #139

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Heh. I vividly remember the hype cycle around self-driving cars. Roll the tape forward a decade or so and combined R&D spend approaches the GDP of a small industrialized country. Untold millions of column inches, close to a decade of hyperventilating FOMO hype mill output. Net result: some cab companies ended up filing for bankruptcy, but really Uber did that. Crypto bros early claims that blockchain would threaten s…

> Net result: The future is here, but unevenly distributed. Waymo operates in a select few city, but in those cities, you can call a car, that car will have no human driver in it, and the computer will drive you to your destination. Yes it's taken a long time, but if your "evidence" is self driving cars, you might want to address your priors.

I feel like you missed the point pretty aggressively here if you're trying to claim waymo's existence in any way justifies burning roughly the GDP of Luxembourg on R&D. This should be a fairly alarming indicator of how utterly divorced the tech industry is from any kind of real world outcomes and just one of countless examples of tech industry hype resulting in embarrassingly miniscule returns when actual results are considered.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ElProlactin »

rglullis wrote: post #702
ElProlactin wrote: post #699

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And? Yes, people have good reason to not trust institutions these days. But does not trusting institutions mean that you no longer have to comply with the rules, or that every rule is not based on a legitimate concern?

> not trusting institutions mean that you no longer have to comply with the rules Not if you can avoid it, no. > every rule is not based on a legitimate concern? This particular rule is not based on a legitimate concern.

> This particular rule is not based on a legitimate concern.

Well, there are multiple legitimate reasons for Anthropic to ask some customers to do identity verification:

1. To comply with export controls.

2. To prevent abuse.

3. To process requests for increased usage or spend limits.

4. To defend against payment fraud.

This really isn't uncommon. I've been asked to do identity verification for something as innocuous as registering a domain name, setting up an account to bid on collectibles, etc.

If you've ever worked in ecommerce, payments or a related sector, you know how many bad actors are trying to game systems every single day and what the consequences are to the business if they succeed. Even when you're not dealing with non-negotiable compliance requirements (like KYC, export controls, etc.), there are lots of situations in which you'd have a reasonable need to establish that the people you're serving are who they say they are.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by digitaltrees »

js8 wrote: post #687
digitaltrees wrote: post #566

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But you do see that supports my argument right? For every one of Us that stops paying monthly subscription or api costs to OpenAI/anthropic/google the smaller their market gets. Taken to enough scale and they won’t reach profitability. So while I am running local models I am aware of the geopolitical implications

Why do you care about geopolitical implications? (I don't see how it supports your argument, sorry.)

What do you think my argument is?

China isn’t releasing open weight models for the good of humanity. They are releasing them to undermine US companies financial viability.

I care about that because that competition affects me.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by 3stacks »

patates wrote: post #637
3stacks wrote: post #491

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What is stopping you from switching to GLM 5.2 now? Have you tried it out yet? I'm playing with Deepseek a lot more via OpenRouter recently and the only major downside I can see is the usage billing over the monthly plan

For the 100$ I'm paying for Claude, I'm pretty sure I can use Deepseek way more than I can use Opus via the plan.

Fair. If you trust the stats on Codeburn I've used $6k USD of tokens in the last month with Claude as a very heavy user, so our situations may differ
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