>On output tokens, GLM-5.2 is less than a fifth the price of Opus. Opus is most expensive model in pay as you go model, but IMO fair comparison should include subscription price as well. For example when one has $100 Claude Max and use it up through the month, it might not be more expensive than GLM, or at least not 5x.
GLM has subscription plans too.
GLM 5.2 vs. Opus
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#322>On output tokens, GLM-5.2 is less than a fifth the price of Opus. Opus is most expensive model in pay as you go model, but IMO fair comparison should include subscription price as well. For example when one has $100 Claude Max and use it up through the month, it might not be more expensive than GLM, or at least not 5x.
Is it fair when the one is heavily subsidized and the other one is not? I think it's most fair to compare the plain token pricing that is used by everyone.
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#323I can't believe I would say this. I TRUST OpenAI more than Anthropic. They try to play best actor but they are manipulating the behavior of the model in the name of guardrails/interpretability.
That is why I refuse to build anything that works with Anthropic models as the backend. Because, when they want to shut you off, they can do it by just making model less reliable in your product than their offering!
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is doing that for a model this size it would have to be so heavily quantized that it wouldn’t be useful - or you’d need to spend a half million dollars on hardware. People use hosted APIs. Open weight means cloud vendors can host it.
Can you recommend any US based cloud providers?
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#325there is no comparison between glm 5.2 and opus. First for this glm 5.2 you need a big big resource and that big also came from money so instead you buy the opus subscription and enjoy.
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#326I remember making games ten years ago, and it was such a tedious and painful process. This is effectively lightning in a bottle even at a fraction of it's capability.
The next 12 months will be wild (assuming we don't have Chinese models banned by then in the US).
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#327> Through an API it costs a fraction of Opus, and you can run it yourself for free if you have the hardware. I haven't been keeping up on hardware costs for state of the art LLM inference, but this remark made me ask myself how many readers of the article would actually be able to run this model on hardware they own. How much would it cost to acquire such a setup?
This framing local LLMs as free is stupid. Basically pay 100+ months worth of API costs up front isn't free in the slightest. And it will be slower than non-local, your hardware will be outdated in 12 months and probably won't be able to run SOTA at anywhere near non-local speed in max 20 months
if it doesn't apply to you then just come back in a couple years and see what the situation is then. 1 million context window, 1 million tiny layers to fit in 4gb RAM at a time, with 256gb of fast unified RAM in every consumer device? Or a different concept entirely
in the meantime, z.ai probably doesn't reply to US subpoenas so you can shift all your incriminating conversations over to that and use GLM anyway. who cares if the Party trains on your data and steals your IP and ignores you for legal matters, when the alternative in the US is just a thin corporate layer and party who steals your IP and will snitch on you for legal matters.
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#328Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus
#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not when you factory in token efficiency. It burns a lot more tokens to do the same job, so when I compared to GPT5.5 I was frankly not really much ahead, and with weaker thinking. Maybe makes sense if you have z.AI's (not greatly priced) subscription plan, but it's not competitive against an OpenAI or Anthropic monthly coding subscription plan. I burned through almost $10 worth of tokens just doing an hour of work.
Take a look at Ollama Cloud: https://ollama.com/pricing You get access to a whole bunch of bleeding edge open models including GLM-5.2, Kimi K2.7, DeepSeek 4 Pro, etc. Inference is run on US/SG/EU cloud providers with zero data retention policies. The $20/mo tier is very generous, in my experience.
Which I think only underscores my point that actually the GLM models are not very cost effective.
They essentially cost the same as the SOTA models from OpenAI and Anthropic, while not being quite as smart. I could have gotten about the same amount of work done on the $20 Codex plan. And I had to use my $100 Codex plan to finish the work GLM started before it ran out of quota. And also to fix it since GLM left a bit of a mess.
I like that GLM exists. Other Chinese models are far more cost effective. GLM is expensive, even on a fixed plan.
Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus
#330I seriously dont' know all this big hullabaloo about one shot prompting. by definition, a single prompt wont' constitute the complexity of a software project. ergo, what you'll get is a series of assumptions made by the model based on preexisting code in its training corpus. I'd rather see a coding agent that can follow steps in a plan file to a T while following guardrails and adhering to the proper coding conventio…
The thing with one-shot prompting is that it tests the ability for the model to make good choices on its own, rather than only instruction following. Instruction following has been down for years, and while there are of course metrics that continue to improve as the frontier advances (for example, the ability to continue following the original instructions even as context grows), you can't really get that much better…