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Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#101

Post by lenerdenator »

celltalk wrote: post #36

Two weeks ago, I got 100/100 of a test from a big company for a first screening without using AI. I was pretty confident that I would pass the first round, even hinted few of my friends, but ended up being rejected with an automated mail… The job market is insane at this point and I am not sure what the recruiters are actually looking for. If the candidate uses AI they’re eliminated, if not they’re eliminated. I gues…

> The job market is insane at this point and I am not sure what the recruiters are actually looking for.

To justify their own jobs.

In theory there's never been a better time to hire on SWE talent. There are lots and lots of candidates who rode high during the COVID hiring wave, took on debt based on a high income, got fired, and now need money.

But hiring isn't picking up. You have a bunch of people in the HR industry who realize that for the most part, the combination of candidate filtering, ML, and a basic tech interview process could probably do their jobs. So they have to make the process as byzantine and difficult as possible to be able to go to the suits and say "look at all of these low-quality candidates we kept out!"

> I guess this is one of these times we read on history books: great unemployement.

The good/bad news is that if this continues, there will be either a regression to the mean or a massive de-stablization of most societies. You can't kick most of the working-age population out of their jobs.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#102

Post by Bombthecat »

iwontberude wrote: post #52
semiquaver wrote: post #31

> I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers pouring all of their energy into even mundane dialogue. It means throwing out my dignity Conflating things in this inflammatory way is a big mistake. Using a tec…

I think you might not get the context this is coming from, it’s about a game developer laid off from Blizzard not wanting to partake in the technology that will justify layoffs of their friends. Pretty straight forward to me.

Yeah, but nothing he can do

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#103

Post by soiltype »

semiquaver wrote: post #31

> I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers pouring all of their energy into even mundane dialogue. It means throwing out my dignity Conflating things in this inflammatory way is a big mistake. Using a tec…

> Not everything has to be a culture war front.

This is seemingly spoken from an ignorant and insulated position. The victims of invasion don't get to decide whether or not they live on a war front, nor do the countless skilled and creative individuals losing their entire careers almost overnight.

By the way it's class war you're talking about, not culture war.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#104

Post by Bombthecat »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #93
echelon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will not have a job in software in the future if you refuse to use AI. I fully stand behind that prediction. edit: despite the downvotes, I'll double down: most of today's software jobs will disappear. Your job , if it is in software, will disappear. It might transform into something new, if you're lucky. Or it might just go away entirely.

For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us.

Yap, the signs are here.

Software and code is turning into a commodity

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#106

Post by falcor84 »

fragmede wrote: post #78
semiquaver wrote: post #31

> I've seen people supposedly smarter than I advocate for just giving in, conceding to AI coding as it's the future. But doing so means tossing out my friends who make art or the people who work their asses off to properly test and review code or the writers pouring all of their energy into even mundane dialogue. It means throwing out my dignity Conflating things in this inflammatory way is a big mistake. Using a tec…

yeah, the question is what would you do with $100 million? I mean I don't have $100 million but I'd give it to the arts after I've taken care of myself well and science. Am I gonna make $100 million playing with AI? I don't even know if I can take care of myself, shit, but the government ain't gonna do that. What are the new jobs after the Saaspocalypse? Well all the money went to those companies and what do those co…

> I mean I don't have $100 million but I'd give it to the arts

I might be naive, but rather than giving money "to the arts", I would much prefer to give money "to the people" en masse, and then leave it up to everyone to decide whether they want to make art for art's sake.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#107

Post by rglynn »

tern wrote: post #7

Curious about the perspective from anyone who has a skill set / reputation where finding jobs is easy right now. I imagine people in ML or who've found a good way to demonstrate prowess with agentic systems may be highly in demand right now(?)

What do you mean by easy? Do you mean FAANG or equivalent salary? What level of seniority?

Can speak to my experience that if you are a senior engineer in London the market is relatively easy at the moment (or was at the beginning of the year) even with no connections.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#108

Post by colonCapitalDee »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #18
qwe----3 wrote: post #3

> when I need to recall off the top of my head the proper way to instantiate a list or heap in X language You only need to know for one though...

It was an example. I guess even an off hand example, now must be completely 100% technically correct , or you aren't worth a job? And, I'm pretty sure in "X" language, you can call them differently. Since it is "X", how do you know.

Just use python for all practical programming problems. Lists, sets, and dicts are all you need for most leetcode problems; dynamic typing is convenient; there's good ergonomics for http and other random utility tasks; and pretty much every company is cool with python in an interview. You'll probably only see language trivia questions for languages you claim a specialty in (there's a huge market for C++ specialists, for instance).

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#109

Post by solid_fuel »

aurareturn wrote: post #5

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> whatever propaganda is on TV at the moment

Stuff does actually happen, out there in the real world. It's OK - even preferable - for people to engage with the world instead of ignoring it.

> Maybe the virtue signaling is still strong here and I'll get flagged

Having beliefs, a sense of morality, and a personality are actually not virtue signaling. Having a solid and informed perspective on the world is an important part of being a complete human being. It makes for better employees, too.

Re: Jobs and Software Is Fucked

#110

Post by [deleted] »

moralestapia wrote: post #92
solid_fuel wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Arts or no arts companies hire you to do X, not to make friends. If you stop doing X you will be fired/not-hired, simple as. > You can make friends on your free time. Most well-adjusted people work to live, they don't live to work. Life comes first, the demands of the job come a distant second.

Great! All the more reason, then, for them to be okay with not being hired.

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