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Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

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Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#41
post #9

I mean, this is just basic smart investing today. Software is now very easily replicable, and you wouldn't want to invest in software that has absolutely no moat. At a minimum, this gives Bain more leverage when negotiating with these companies.

> Software is now very easily replicable How? Do you mean by AI? I haven't seen any evidence of this. It was always possible to get code generated at large volumes for low cost (offshore/outsource market) but we didn't see this upend or replace many (if any) software companies. In my experience it had the opposite effect - companies that replaced talented internal teams ended up suffering. LLM generated code is simil…

>> > Software is now very easily replicable

> any evidence of this.

"Any evidence" you say? I think something has moved.

As of Autumn/Winter 2025, I can say "Here's a complete enough spec of what I want cloned. Crank on it for a few hours. Give me the clone site as I specified." And frontier agentic tooling does a hands-off YOLO job really well. (Notice: I set it up with good specs/rules to scaffold.) Cost maybe an hour of my time to set up/scaffold, and 3 hours cranking on its own, on a $20 or $60/mo sub.

I think taking the same problem to an "offshore house" (or even Fiverr or whatever) would probably easily cost 10-100x more, and quite possibly with worse (less reusable or less best-practices code quality or less functional or less clean) output overall.

So I think your OVERALL point may stand. I'm just nitpicking the specific aspect quoted above, and maybe to some degree the aspect of

> "LLM generated code is similar, but arguably more expensive and lower quality"

Which to be fair obviously depends on what code one is comparing.

I used to say "nah, it can't replicate apps that well by itself", but then I tried it (on the advice of a fellow commenter here on HN), and was surprised myself.

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#42
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Make my web app secure."

In case you've had your head in the sand for the past 6 months, AI is finding vulnerabilities in all kinds of software written by humans. So, yes, asking an AI to secure your app is going to be much better than what the average dev churns out.

> AI is finding vulnerabilities in all kinds of software written by humans.

I'm aware — I've used LLMs to find vulnerabilities, myself. But it doesn't follow that because AI can find them that AI can find the optimal fix, because fixing vulnerabilities often involves tradeoffs.

Also, can we please have a civil discussion?

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Software is now very easily replicable How? Do you mean by AI? I haven't seen any evidence of this. It was always possible to get code generated at large volumes for low cost (offshore/outsource market) but we didn't see this upend or replace many (if any) software companies. In my experience it had the opposite effect - companies that replaced talented internal teams ended up suffering. LLM generated code is simil…

>> > Software is now very easily replicable > any evidence of this. "Any evidence" you say? I think something has moved. As of Autumn/Winter 2025, I can say "Here's a complete enough spec of what I want cloned. Crank on it for a few hours. Give me the clone site as I specified." And frontier agentic tooling does a hands-off YOLO job really well. (Notice: I set it up with good specs/rules to scaffold.) Cost maybe an h…

I agree with your nitpick, I think.

If your argument is that LLMs are more effective and less costly than typical low-quality outsourced code, I generally agree with that, depending on the details.

For prototype/POC stuff, absolutely.

For long term deployable product stuff that needs to be maintained, supported with SLAs etc... eh, like everything, it depends on the people/team.

I've been leading dev teams for around 25 years, and I tend to think in terms of total cost of code.

Cognitive debt is a real thing. The cost of a developer that leaves the team, and the struggle to have someone take over their work is real.

With LLMs you have all this hidden cost, plus no "theory of mind", which makes the cognitive debt much worse.

Combine that with atrophied skills, subtle bugs, architecture facepalms, security issues, etc... and the total cost of LLM generated code is a lot higher than just a subscription price.

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#44

This is like saying Twitter isn't worth much because every web framework tutorial produces a "Twitter clone."

I CALL FOR ANTIARCHY AGAINST AI! ALL PROGRAMMERS and VIBE CODERS use AI against itself ... vibe code systems that forces AI to pay all of humans for our content! Without our content AI is irrelevant! Why are we giving our content/souls to it freely now so it thrives and we do not??

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#45

This is like saying Twitter isn't worth much because every web framework tutorial produces a "Twitter clone."

From TFA:

“We are leveraging vibecoding to show what a software company can and can’t do, to understand where it fits in the value chain and to understand whether it is the actual code that is the defensible part of the business or something else,”

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#46
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I CALL FOR ANTIARCHY AGAINST AI! ALL PROGRAMMERS and VIBE CODERS use AI against itself ... vibe code systems that forces AI to pay all of humans for our content! Without our content AI is irrelevant! Why are we giving our content/souls to it freely now so it thrives and we do not??

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Could be McDonalds but AntiArchy against AI starts somewhere and who cares if you think what i typed is crazy present day. It won't be in time!

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#47

Is the future of software really vibe coded by management consultants..?

I am not sure it is the management consulting partners or their associates that are doing the vibe coding.

The more likely scenario is that they "consume" the output of designated offshore teams.

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#48

Is the future of software really vibe coded by management consultants..?

In the article, they explain the goal of vibe coding prototypes is not to rebuild software, but to test the defensibility of businesses based on their software so they can decide whether to acquire them or not

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#49
post #3

Hard to see it'll help them much. There's so many other aspects to a successful software business vs just ease of build.

That's the point of why they're doing it. From TFA:

"Private equity investors are turning to AI-generated replicas of software to assess whether acquisition targets have a competitive advantage

[...]

'We are leveraging vibecoding to show what a software company can and can’t do, to understand where it fits in the value chain and to understand whether it is the actual code that is the defensible part of the business or something else,'"

Re: Bain tests software takeover targets by vibecoding AI replicas

#50
post #34
post #18

Very good idea. For every company that is valuable because of software + knowledge + service + loyal customers there are a dozen that only exist because of weak competition and inertia. Easy to imagine there are a lot of software products that could be cloned and out-competed by taking 15% profit margin instead of 50%.

So a dedicated team of engineers creates a functional product, and you plagiarize it so you can have all the profit for yourself? Only a "good idea" if you're a thief with no original ideas.

I didn't invent capitalism.
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