Earlier quoted context omitted.
I live in Canada so I don't know about this. What are gas stations and convenience stores carrying now?
An article I read said kratom, 7-OH, tianeptine.
Synthetic THC as well. Also "Bath salts":
Never Give Them Your Face
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#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm maybe a bit of an outlier here in that I do think that this is a genuine grassroots good faith effort to "protect the children" that does not have sinister ulterior motives. I know plenty of parents who have expressed enthusiasm for the idea of age-restricting websites. "Why now" I think is pretty obvious -- the age limitations that exist currently are easily circumvented, but have given enough of a plausible den…
I've been able to age restrict websites with my childrens' devices for years? Privately, on the device. The website side is pure moatism.
If you mean this to say "this is probably the best we as a society can do on balance from a 'worse-is-better' approach" then I'm pretty much in agreement.
But obviously this doesn't "solve the problem". It's another bandaid with an extensive list of failure modes and tradeoffs. It falls into the class of "the age limitations that exist currently are easily circumvented" type of solution.
In my opinion it is fine to leave it there and accept the tradeoffs. We could mandate better website marking, and mandate better device or app-level mechanisms, and improve monitoring and restricting tools, or we could do even less and keep it more or less heterogenous.
But I do not agree that it is "moatism" to talk about it on the website side. There is a real and genuine desire to actually have the kinds of age restrictions that are only possible with strong user identity broadly deployed. Refusing to engage because of imputation of malign motives on the other party's part is not going to persuade anyone, especially if they do not personally have those malign motives.
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#303I'm quitting Claude AI because of https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-ver... .
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#304I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…
That happened to me to! A similar moment of weakness: I got tired of being locked out of like half of small business profiles. A local brewery (very small brewery, but top tier beers) posts on instagram if they’ll even be open that day.
Caved, tried to sign up, asked for my face, then rejected me forever.
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#305The battle is lost, technological determinism is an unstoppable force.
Once the camera was invented the die was cast.
"Technological determinism is the theory that a society's technology drives the development of its social structure, cultural values, and history."
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#306I'm quitting Claude AI because of https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-ver... .
Gah - this is unfortunate. This will have me quit as well - I wonder when they will begin to enforce this on the Claude Code front. I remember when OpenAI tried (maybe they still are?) putting this in for GPT 5 and this had me switch from them to Anthropic.
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#307This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…
there's an epidemic of authoritarianism in a lot of countries these days. didn't use to be quite this bad in the last couple of decades.
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#308This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…
> ... but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology
I don't know why but governments, nearly worldwide, all teaming up on x continents to push the exact same narrative is recent but not totally new: remember the "masks do not work against SaRS-COV-2" to only then lock us all up and then force people to wear face masks?
Media all pushing the "if you believe it possibly can be a lab-leak, you're just as nuts as conspiracy theorists who believe the moon landing was faked" was honestly quite scary to witness too.
And the speed at which virtually everybody, including on HN, started to then push for that propaganda was quite scary too.
For the record, the report mandated (under Biden) by US Congress concludes that the virus has non-zootropic features and the biggest "expert" on the matter, Peter Daszak, has been debarred and cannot ever again receive funding from the US to work on gain-of-function research on viruses.
I stand my case: the "you're a conspiracy nut if you believe the virus could be man-made" was a coordinated setup.
You're asking why, now, they're teaming up to require face verification.
I'm asking why they all sang the same fake tunes about Covid-19 / SaRS-COV2: "Masks do not work" was repeated worldwide, to then forcing us to wear masks was a lie (one of the two was a complete lie).
And of course the incessant propaganda machine, hard at work, to explain everywhere that it couldn't possibly have leaked from a lab tied to Peter Daszak's research doing gain-of-function research on bat viruses, in the very FUCKING CITY, where it all started, was a gigantic lie.
The absolute worst in all of this is the people believing the lies even when the evidence is right in front of their eyes.
I kept posting here on HN back then about how it was folly to not open your eyes and make your mind work two seconds and I posted about that one independent journalist who found the Peter Daszak link very early on and fought for the truth. But the herds, worldwide, were way too pleased to buy the governments' lies.
Years after the fact we got proven the governments, worldwide, lied and teamed up to hide the truth.
"Despite congressional mandates requiring the declassification of COVID-origin intelligence under both the 2023 law and last year’s National Defense Authorization Act of 2026, substantial portions of the newly released records remain blacked out."
The CIA stated they now believe it's a lab leak.
Oh really?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19...
This, like Goebbels' propaganda technique in nazi Germany, should be studied for years and years: how Goebbels' techniques were used, worldwide, to try to hide the governments' responsibilities in the countless deaths resulting from the virus they funded.
It's the same, worldwide-coordinated, "think of the humans" propaganda they're using for face ID.
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#309I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…
I'd push back on your theory that the problem is your biometrics having been abused by a third party (rather than merely being abused by Faceboot...). I'd say the base incentive is that they really don't care about adding new users, so their false positive rate is set way too high. They think you need them more than they need you. And for Faceboot Marketplace they're probably right (about 3-4x the selection of Craigslist IME, and a corresponding difference in interested buyers). I'll still browse and post things on Craigslist, and when I see something for sale on both I'll respond with the Craigslist method to support its mindshare (also straightforward email/SMS is a heck of a lot easier than having to use Faceboot Messenger and then nudge the conversation over to SMS for the actual meetup).
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#310There is actually a way to prove the age anonymously. Yubikey-like devices support attestation - they can have a private key proving authenticity of a device. So some organization could release Yubikeys with a certain private key and distribute them in stores that allow only adult customers - like liquor stores or sex shops. Owning a key proves that one is adult without disclosing identity. Keys support USB and bluet…
That's just one of dozens of ways it could be done, hundreds probably. But ultimately proving that you're an adult is not the point, the point has always been profiling people with the excuse of that. Most of these verifications are done by Palantir shell corps even.