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Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by reaperducer »

Aurornis wrote: post #136
fl4regun wrote: post #31

This is a little bit of a tangent compared to the post, but can someone explain to me why it's NOW that we have multiple countries (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and probably others that I am not aware of) all looking at age verification for a technology (the internet and all the things it lets you access) has existed for over 2 decades, and has been mature for at least 10 years? You could buy illicit drugs and watch p…

This has all been brewing for years. Remember the TikTok ban and all of the debates around it? We’ve been hearing news headlines about social media and kids for many years. The state level laws around porn site ID checks have been rolling in gradually for years, too. There are always claims that is a shadowy cabal of world leaders coordinating in secret or that a specific corporation is lobbying to do it all, but the…

This has all been brewing for years. Remember the TikTok ban and all of the debates around it?

Tiktok? I remember when people were freaking out about porn games on the Atari 2600.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by AlexandrB »

reaperducer wrote: post #260
JackFr wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Stop using Facebook. It's really that simple. Found the guy who's never heard of "shadow profiles." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_profile

I agree shadow profiles are a huge problem, but I suspect they're not worth much to Meta in terms of revenue. You can't show ads to a shadow profile, for example. Best way to hurt them financially is to just log off.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by lenerdenator »

alex1138 wrote: post #227
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #194

I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…

It should also be noted Facebook does nothing in good faith because Zuckerberg's core personality is what it is It isn't that biometrics might never make sense but when it comes to Facebook? He's a black hat hacker who deserves prison

At the very least, we need to outlaw the method of corporate governance that Meta (and increasingly, other tech companies) use.

Mark has an absolute majority of shares at Meta at around 61% [0]. It is literally impossible for the board or other shareholders to cause him to do anything he doesn't want to do or to make him work in the best interests of others, whether they be other shareholders or the public. Meta is more-or-less a sole proprietorship with window dressing.

If no one can force a company to change by anything short of a person's passing or their loss of interest, then it's not really governed, and cannot be trusted to operate within the market and society at large. We need to make these organizations accountable to others in the systems in which they participate.

[0] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/082216/top-9-...

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by cbdevidal »

pkulak wrote: post #246
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #194

I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…

I bought my last car on Craigslist. It was quite pleasant and I like the car. Not that there isn't garbage/scams there, but there's garbage on marketplace too (more, to my eye). I make a point to always go to Craigslist first. It still exists, and it's kicking!

OfferUp also has a ton, as does AutoTempest and even good old fashioned AutoTrader. I'm currently shopping for my son.

Facebook seems to have the lowest cost cars, but it also seems to be the least successful way of contacting people. When I bought a car for my sister in April, I contacted (no exaggeration) 70+ sellers and heard back from about ten of them. And yes, I changed the default "Is it still available?" message to something demonstrating urgency e.g. "I have cash and would like to buy." But with persistence, I found her the right car through Marketplace. Really hate the FBook search interface though, it's total garbage.

I spend most of my time looking on CList and OfferUp.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

howard941 wrote: post #243
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #194

I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…

I don't think you can assume your identity was compromised. I know the Facebook denial dialog suggests that "unusual activity" was detected and you need to access it via your mobile device. Of course as you know that doesn't help. I signed on for Meta enhanced support for a month (nb, don't bother doing this, it's a waste of money) and had numerous voice calls with pandering support people who assured me it had nothi…

I do strange things, so it's possible that the cause has to do with some quirk of my behavior while closing the account in 2011, or while attempting to reopen it in 2026, and not somebody else's behavior in the interim.

I don't really care about facebook, I found a buyer for the thing. I'm just saying that the use of biometrics is bad engineering because it amplifies the severity of adjacent bugs to "blocker". Starting over with a new identity should be painful enough to discourage bad behavior, but it should be possible to enable users who do strange things sometimes to navigate the system.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by dd8601fn »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #194

I quit facebook over a decade ago. Then, a few months back, I was under some pressure to sell something, and the facebook marketplace appears to be the way to go locally. So I tried to create a facebook account. They wanted to scan my face, and in a moment of weakness, I performed the ritual. Thirty seconds later, they suspended my account due to violations of their terms of service: "this decision cannot be appealed…

Meta, obviously the same company, has four separate pages that handle the creation of a “page” for a business.

They all prompt for the same information to do the same job.

You are required to make one of these “pages” to be able to advertise on any Meta property.

None of them work, and they have non-functional error handling. And if you keep trying, getting zero feedback about what’s wrong, you get the “scan your face and give us your biometric data” wall.

As such I cannot advertise on Instagram. Like, I can’t give them money, even when I try. It’s impossible that I’m the only one in the world, and it’s costing them money. Directly.

You would think that with their infinite AI resources they would be able to recognize problems, identify the source, and unfuck themselves… right?

In days, not years… right?

At least that’s what we’re told. But it seems reality doesn’t quite agree.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by pseudalopex »

fl4regun wrote: post #236
RajT88 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is particularly bizarre given the increasingly frightening array of designer drugs available at gas stations and convenience stores. You probably have seen them if you live in the US, and had little idea about them.

I live in Canada so I don't know about this. What are gas stations and convenience stores carrying now?

An article I read said kratom, 7-OH, tianeptine.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by john_strinlai »

bronlund wrote: post #204
jupr wrote: post #23

Im sure a lot of people know about tor on this site...but let me remind everyone. Tor is not for criminals. It's for you and me. And happens to be good enough that criminals use it too. This is the two sided nature of technology. Tor is a networks of peers across the globe volunteering their network bandwidth to support people under oppression by their government. The amount of privacy that can be gained from tor is…

I think you overestimates the protection Tor provides. We have seen multiple cases of people getting caught on there, and CIA probably owns half the exit nodes anyways.

>We have seen multiple cases of people getting caught on there

as far as i am aware, no one has been caught due to something technical in relation to tor.

it's always something dumb like logging into an email that has the person's real name in it, using a credit card, leaving javascript on, or otherwise making some opsec failure.

Re: Never Give Them Your Face

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Post by Anoian »

joenot443 wrote: post #160
vodou wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is great that people point out LLM generated articles here on HN. Sadly, it feels like I am slowly loosing my skill to identify LLM speak. Maybe I am getting worn out of all LLM content... So, please, list the indicators and telltale signs from the specific article or blog post (like others have done here already). At least I would appreciate it a lot.

> It is not age verification. It is identity verification. > You can change a password. You cannot change your face. > This is not a popularity contest, and refusal is not a vote you are trying to win These were a couple sentences that were immediate flags to me. There've been countless articles written on this (I can dig them up if you want), but IMO there are pretty clear semantic rhythms you start to notice. It is…

Although these are indicators, real people also use these sometimes.
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