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DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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Re: DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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Someone should make a sport out of this. We already have sailing sports where people race all kinds of wind-powered vessels, and they push the envelope of tech development, just like F1 and the car industry. Also rich people love this sort of thing. Give them something to do with all that money that has some sort of chance of improving things.

The startup building and operating the boats was founded by a famous yacht racer

Re: DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be useful for a tiny island. Ship from a large Caribbean island to a small one for example. The distance means the round trip is day (night?) trip, and there a things you want shipped in every day, but airplanes are expensive. I'm sure there are other niches where there is only a small amount of cargo going from point A to point B as well. However in general the world needs more cargo and so this doesn't m…

Maybe they might not be restricted to Long Beach or Port Newark.

Those ports have the rest of the infrastructure though and so it makes other logistics worse

Re: DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be useful for a tiny island. Ship from a large Caribbean island to a small one for example. The distance means the round trip is day (night?) trip, and there a things you want shipped in every day, but airplanes are expensive. I'm sure there are other niches where there is only a small amount of cargo going from point A to point B as well. However in general the world needs more cargo and so this doesn't m…

Island hopping is a niche where electric flight might get started. Hawaii is looking at running some next year. https://www.sfgate.com/hawaii/article/hawaii-electric-airpla...

They do it on Vancouver Island in B.C.

Re: DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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"415 metric tons of goods. That means they have about five times more cargo space than an airplane, but are five times smaller in length than a typical container ship." Not to take anything away from this (it's great), but for reference, an average vessel in Maersk's fleet can carry about 100,000 metric tons so you'd need about 250 of these to replace a single container ship. Not sure why the article decided to compa…

This was my exact intuition. At 450 metric ton, we're three orders of magnitude away from what large container ships can do. It's a nice PoC but this is clearly just PR from DHL. Air freight is also an odd comparison since it's usually time-sensitive and/or pricey ($100+ per pound).

It's DHL. If you want your package or pallet shipped to some island it might take a long while until a big container ship makes the next stop there. If it can stop there at all. For a package/freight company, the capability to run ships on your schedule to small harbors is valuable. And a catamaran could be a competitive alternative to other smaller container ships

What I don't understand is that they are talking about running it trans-Atlantic. Taking longer than a normal container ship, while taking less cargo. You save on fuel, but surely the crew costs must be eating up all those savings. And you're not really faster. Unless the plan is to go point-to-point between smaller harbors, making up any lost time by saving on cargo handling time

Re: DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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"415 metric tons of goods. That means they have about five times more cargo space than an airplane, but are five times smaller in length than a typical container ship." Not to take anything away from this (it's great), but for reference, an average vessel in Maersk's fleet can carry about 100,000 metric tons so you'd need about 250 of these to replace a single container ship. Not sure why the article decided to compa…

This was my exact intuition. At 450 metric ton, we're three orders of magnitude away from what large container ships can do. It's a nice PoC but this is clearly just PR from DHL. Air freight is also an odd comparison since it's usually time-sensitive and/or pricey ($100+ per pound).

Smallish container ships are used a lot. Look at traffic from the big ports like Rotterdam to small ports like Orkanger or Kristiansand.

A lot of containers take a small-ship trip after the big-ship one.

Re: DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be useful for a tiny island. Ship from a large Caribbean island to a small one for example. The distance means the round trip is day (night?) trip, and there a things you want shipped in every day, but airplanes are expensive. I'm sure there are other niches where there is only a small amount of cargo going from point A to point B as well. However in general the world needs more cargo and so this doesn't m…

I actually think there's an argument to be made for this to be an alternative to typical cargo ship operations. The challenge when moving goods via ocean vessel is that everything takes _a long_ time. Loading and unloading the vessel can take days. Transit is weeks. Unloading the vessel takes days. You have 2 options now: air freight which is crazy expensive but gets it there in a few days max or ocean freight which…

I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't lose any time you gain in loading/unloading to transit time inconsistency when you have to rely on wind. This is not even to mention the fact that these ships cannot make good use of big modern ports with cranes and the best logistical connections and that it would take 100+ of them with hundreds of crew to move as much as a single container ship can with 20 people. I could see them being useful in niche scenarios like cabotage within island/archipelago nations or shipping small loads on irregular schedules, but for anything else it is very hard to beat a container ship.

Re: DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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"415 metric tons of goods. That means they have about five times more cargo space than an airplane, but are five times smaller in length than a typical container ship." Not to take anything away from this (it's great), but for reference, an average vessel in Maersk's fleet can carry about 100,000 metric tons so you'd need about 250 of these to replace a single container ship. Not sure why the article decided to compa…

The important metric should be emissions per metric ton though, including construction of the ships.

Re: DHL Set to Transport Goods on New Wind-Powered Cargo Ships

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> "The wind-powered boats could be especially appealing when oil prices have shot up because of the Iran war." Check of oil prices same day article was published: WTI $73.51/bbl BRENT $77.57/bbl MURBAN: $70.46/bbl

What we see in quotes is not the price of oil being shipped right now; it is usually a one-month futures contract. Traders expect that by this time, Hormuz will reopen. If it does not, they will lose money, but the actual price could be much higher.
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