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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by mctaylor »

palmotea wrote: post #622
sofixa wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No no, the remarks were pretty damn fucking serious. And the fact that the US could elect such an unserious and demented criminal, twice is proof enough that there is a lot to worry about. Who's to say who will be next? Or after that?

> No no, the remarks were pretty damn fucking serious. Trump says a lot of things. It's foolish to take every outrage seriously. It's pretty clear it's just a tactic of his (albeit a dumb one). > And the fact that the US could elect such an unserious and demented criminal, twice is proof enough that there is a lot to worry about. Who's to say who will be next? Or after that? Ok, then. If you're serious: kick the US o…

And Trump was elected with the support and influence of the very cadre of oligarchs running much of silicon valley: Elon Musk, Alex Karp, Palmer Luckey, etc., etc.

Elon Musk (not Trump) is actively still weaponizing algorithmic control of X to try to destabilize US "allies". Larry Ellison is doing the same thing with a whole swathe of media companies and TikTok.

The issue is the authoritarianism and patriarchal narcissism of an American-centered global elite who have gotten so used to "winning" they began to think it was God-given right and not something they'd achieved because their winning had (broadly speaking) been in everyone else's interest.

Now that their mindset has shifted to win at all (read: everyone one else's) cost(s) - do you REALLY think that everyone is going to blindly keep following? For how long?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by rglullis »

ElProlactin wrote: post #699
rglullis wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a matter of being "unfair", it's a matter of people not trusting the institutions.

And? Yes, people have good reason to not trust institutions these days. But does not trusting institutions mean that you no longer have to comply with the rules, or that every rule is not based on a legitimate concern?

> not trusting institutions mean that you no longer have to comply with the rules

Not if you can avoid it, no.

> every rule is not based on a legitimate concern?

This particular rule is not based on a legitimate concern.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by mctaylor »

ethbr1 wrote: post #683
N_Lens wrote: post #580

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Comparatively tiny issues compared to US actions in the past several decades.

See how this comment plays out in the next 5 years.

Here's my prediction: Trump eventually crumbles, but is replaced by an equally (but differently) inept establishment Democrat figure. Conversations about inequality and wealth taxation in the West continue to be (increasingly) suppressed. Backlash against both inequality and related anticapitalist speech suppression continues to grow. Capital interests continue to use redirection (culture wars, race wars, religious wars, etc.) as a diversionary tactic. China's collectivist unity allows them to continue to reorient as things continue to change and evolve at a rapid pace. America's silicon and software advantage quickly evaporates. Economic advantage follows soon after (already in progress due to USD debt crisis and associated inflation). Africa and Latin America continue to shift towards China or neutrality. South Asia follows a bit later. North America and Europe remain indecisive and overreliant on America, American tech, and USD financial markets. Taiwan becomes increasingly pro-China/pro-unification as South Asia reorients towards Chinese hegemony while Western hegemony continues to crumble in on itself due to its inability to reign in overcompetition (capture) which stifles innovation and deteriorating material conditions sew ever increasing conflict and fragmentation.

Tl;dr: The West competes itself into irrelevance while China cooperates its way to victory.

Whether or not the information war turns into a kinetic war depends largely on the West's ability to recognize that coercion, deception, and manipulation in the pursuit of dominance is not really an effective strategy in an information war.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by palmotea »

sofixa wrote: post #666
palmotea wrote: post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No no, the remarks were pretty damn fucking serious. Trump says a lot of things. It's foolish to take every outrage seriously. It's pretty clear it's just a tactic of his (albeit a dumb one). > And the fact that the US could elect such an unserious and demented criminal, twice is proof enough that there is a lot to worry about. Who's to say who will be next? Or after that? Ok, then. If you're serious: kick the US o…

> Trump says a lot of things. It's foolish to take every outrage seriously. It's pretty clear it's just a tactic of his (albeit a dumb one). And he has also acted on a lot of the things he has said. It's foolish to ignore him. > Ok, then. If you're serious: kick the US out of NATO. Increase military spending, go it alone. Really treat the US as a non-ally. What? It's not possible to expell a country from NATO as per…

>> Trump says a lot of things. It's foolish to take every outrage seriously. It's pretty clear it's just a tactic of his (albeit a dumb one).

> And he has also acted on a lot of the things he has said. It's foolish to ignore him.

Did he invade Greenland? Bomb Canada? Those are the specific outrageous things he said that we're talking about here. As far as I can tell, he created his outrage and distractions there, and moved on.

> What? It's not possible to expell a country from NATO as per its charter.

So what? You're claiming the alliance is irreparably broken, who cares about the text of a treaty?

Just do it, put your money where your mouth is.

> I don't think you're getting it. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. The trust with the US is irreversibly broken and not getting repaired in the decades to come.

I don't think you get it, either: how long can you maintain that attitude without the irritant (the 80-year-old person that is Donald Trump)?

Also, you're acting all outraged, but present in your messages (but unacknowledged) are other and more tangible violations of trust, like European countries shirking their military spending commitments and letting their militaries decline to disrepair, because they expected the US to defend them forever for free.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by Applejinx »

deanishe wrote: post #560
ignoramous wrote: post #445

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> This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old... I think, this is all a culmination of rapidly eroding trust and soft power between US & its allies for the past 3y.

What allies? You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. You surely don't think you're coming back from that?

What, all of us? I would suggest that Russia's proxy leaders threatened to invade both those places specifically to weaken US alliances and hurt NATO.

So when did we become Russia? Better you should ask, should we become Russia, would we like it? We've only begun to experience the damage of it and I figure part of the plan is that once we notice and object to what's been done to us, it'll be too late.

You are mad if you think we are not the target here. This is not about hurting Greenland, it's about hurting US and people elsewhere should take note because you are subject to the same tactics and the same influences.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by pc86 »

shevy-java wrote: post #653
pegasus wrote: post #601

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Do you sincerely believe Dario wants Fable to be restricted to US citizens only?

Why else would they demand age sniffing? I do not want to give my private data to any company, yet alone those hostiles US companies that obey the orange king. Insanity has to be contained, not allowed to spread outside of the USA. So, no to age sniffing. The UK is also suspect here. I don't understand why they are even worse than the USA here. Someone needs to fix the UK legislation - it is by far the worst. On audi…

The UK has been worse than the US on privacy and basically any privacy-adjacent right for like 50 years, if not longer.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by BeetleB »

ElProlactin wrote: post #623
joe_the_user wrote: post #600

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Well, if all the data people uploaded to these models provided ironclad personal identification, would Anthropic need to have these identity verification processes? They could have directed Claude to disconnect all non-citizens when the order came, for example. Perhaps they don't to frighten people with that ability. But most likely all the inputs together only add to a rough identity hash.

> Well, if all the data people uploaded to these models provided ironclad personal identification, would Anthropic need to have these identity verification processes? > But most likely all the inputs together only add to a rough identity hash. You literally provide your name, email address, address and credit card number when you create an account and subscribe. The identity verification they're doing is for legal pu…

> You literally provide your name, email address, address and credit card number when you create an account and subscribe.

I don't recall Anthropic's payment systems, but I use Paypal wherever supported. I don't think Paypal sends my address, but am not sure. I'm pretty sure they don't send the CC information.

And often, not even the name (e.g. have often had people use my CC to buy stuff (with my permission)).

Also, I still routinely buy stuff from one service that thinks I'm in a state I haven't lived in for over 20 years, because that's the address I provided back then.

So no, generally, sending your payment info doesn't equate to sending them my address.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by BeetleB »

JimDabell wrote: post #6

OpenAI also has this kind of check. What is especially bad is that if you fail the verification process, they won’t let you retry – you are permanently locked out from the top models. They aren’t clear about this upfront during the process, so make sure the lighting is good when you scan your ID! https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10910291-api-organizatio...

> OpenAI also has this kind of check.

Indeed, that's what motivated me to get an OpenRouter account!

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by victorbjorklund »

palmotea wrote: post #614
deanishe wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What allies? You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. You surely don't think you're coming back from that?

> What allies? > You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. > You surely don't think you're coming back from that? Trump threatened. Those were unserious remarks by an unserious person who's 80 years old. If that was all it takes to permanently demolish those alliances, they were never actually there.

That’s like claiming Iran didn’t ever threaten North Korea, USA etc but only their leaders. Trump is the guy Americans had choosen to decide their foreign policy. Just like Russians can’t claim they are innocent just because of what their leaders do Americans have even less excuse.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by DarkVanilla »

KaiserPro wrote: post #163
xmstan wrote: post #2

Funny how no-one talks about AI neutrality like we used to discuss net neutrality. We literally now enter a space where not only you will have to prove your identity with a gov issued ID, but they will silently block you if they deem you try to use it in a way that they don't like. It is literally similar to a situation where your ISP would investigate all sites you visit and limit your bandwidth if they don't like t…

THe reason why its not being talked about like net neutrality is because there aren't large companies with a vested interested interest in changing the status quo Net neutrality was about Google/netflix/etc not wanting to pay for transit to verizon/AT&T/etc Same with the copyright reforms, new, richer internet companies (at the time) wanted to avoid paying feesto copyright owners. The morality of these campaigns are…

> Net neutrality was about Google/netflix/etc not wanting to pay for transit to verizon/AT&T/etc

That is the dishonest spin put forward by the "last-mile" ISP providers.

The ISPs were already being paid by their customers in order to access the internet, but they wanted to leverage their natural monopolies in order to be paid twice, by whoever their customers were connecting to. Famously, the ISPs went as far as artificially throttling traffic in order to extort payments[1].

Framing this as a battle instigated by google and netfix is also the opposite of the truth. It was the ISP monopolies who brought this fight; not the internet companies. The battle was actually instigated by one of the last-mile ISPs, Verizon, suing the FCC.

> not wanting to pay for transit to verizon/AT&T/etc

If anyone was going to pay for "transit to" the last mile ISPs, they would actually be paying backbone companies like L3, because those are the ones that actually move traffic across the internet.

[1] the throttling typically took the form of throttling certain backbone connections, so that no one would be able to prove they targeted Netflix specifically

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