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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by gaiagraphia »

andsoitis wrote: post #286
Lutger wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Private companies don’t have the ability to ruin your life in the same way your own government does. They just want your money. And what happens when your money is gone? What happens when the government has no money anymore because the super rich took it all? Your life turns to shit real fast when you can't afford housing, healthcare and food. I get when you are in an authoritarian country, or one on the path to be…

Private companies want your money but they don’t take it. You give it to them in exchange for something.

It feels like I'm force to pay tax which then evaporates into the pockets of private companies like Palantir, though... I mean, you arguably can't even fully participate in the society you pay taxes to help run if you don't have a Google or Apple spycube.

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Post by some_random »

pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #290
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #266

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> difference between terrorists and freedom fighters is a matter of which side of the fence Oft repeated but untrue. Terrorism, empirically, doesn’t work. Non-violent protest, and armed insurrection (aimed at the state, not its population) do. Sometimes freedom fighters can benefit from terrorism. But they are distinct strategies with separate targets.

Terrorism very much does work. The Basque and the Northern Irish terrorists / freedom fighters have gotten a so many of their demands for autonomy met that they disbanded (in one case formally, in the other almost) because they weren't needed anymore. Taliban also got the US out from Afghanistan pretty handily with mostly terrorism.

The Taliban absolutely did not terrorism the US out of Afghanistan haha

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by egorfine »

righthand wrote: post #270
egorfine wrote: post #150

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> exposing the hypocrisy of the Danish government Does that change anything?

Does he have any power to change anything? Or does he have only power to expose the abusers and corrupted? Only taking action because you can change corrupt ways doesn’t actually change anything because the average person has no power to do so. And the proper channels are gummed up to not change anything. What Lars does is possibly inform or change perspective of those unfamiliar with their nation/world-state.

> possibly inform

I'm not sure about that. People on HN are generally well in the know, while laymen don't event understand the substance of the matter in question.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by stefanfisk »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #70
klustregrif wrote: post #39

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This is Denmark not America, there is literally no risk to their life.

Just because Denmark doesn't have the same gun laws, culture around using guns for self-defense, or prevalence of guns as the US does, it doesn't mean that Danish police face no risk when they raid someone's home. Anytime the cops raid someone's home, regardless of whether or not is it a legitimate raid of a legitimate criminal, it's a violent act and there's risk that the cops will be hurt or killed.

That’s such an American mentality. Here’s a short clip which might broaden your mind on possible ways to view how and when police should be using violence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/1c0e24s/american_...

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Post by ceejayoz »

bazoom42 wrote: post #299
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

Very charitable to call it a “grey zone” to stalk and dox children of politicians you dislike.

Isn't the point that those politicians want to do precisely that to others?

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Post by gaiagraphia »

rexpop wrote: post #81
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

> he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed This is an unequivocally reasonable approach. The prohibition of cannabis is a grotesque charade.

I personally would like the police to come down hard on unauthorised and unregulated chemists. Not a fan of dealers being tax exempt, either, given the negative externalities their services provide.

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Post by tmtvl »

l23k4 wrote: post #133
orbital-decay wrote: post #38

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This is a very... US comment to make.

I'm fully European, would not wonder for a second before plunging a knife into an intruder if I happened to have one near me.

Really? 'Oh, someone I don't know! stab'? What if the person is plain-clothes law enforcement? Or a special needs person who somehow managed to wander into the wrong house? Or your sibling's new partner they want to introduce to you?

Anyway, unless you actually have stabbed someone before you don't know whether you got what it takes until you're actually in a situation where you find out.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

some_random wrote: post #302
pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorism very much does work. The Basque and the Northern Irish terrorists / freedom fighters have gotten a so many of their demands for autonomy met that they disbanded (in one case formally, in the other almost) because they weren't needed anymore. Taliban also got the US out from Afghanistan pretty handily with mostly terrorism.

The Taliban absolutely did not terrorism the US out of Afghanistan haha

Why do you think they left, then?

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Post by bazoom42 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #305
bazoom42 wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very charitable to call it a “grey zone” to stalk and dox children of politicians you dislike.

Isn't the point that those politicians want to do precisely that to others?

Stalk their children? What policy are you referring to?

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Post by oooyay »

pcrh wrote: post #195
Lerc wrote: post #151

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>He goes way too far though. Especially if he actually wants change, the way he "protests" is directly damaging his own cause, since nobody is going to sympathise with harrassing children. I don't think this is a given. Just Stop Oil says that their tactics do make people hate them, but their research tells them that it still makes peoples opinions on the issues move in the direction that they want them to. Their pos…

This is referred to as shifting the Overton window. If voices from the extreme are not heard, the Overton window moves away from their position, so protests help their cause even if only a minority completely agree with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

I don't think Overton implied any causality between the phases of the window, just that distinct phases exist and that forces act on the window to cause it to shrink, expand, and shift.
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