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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by mistrial9 »

pembrook wrote: post #121
Quothling wrote: post #106

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This is what I meant by the grey zone. I personally think it goes too far, but I agree with the point you make here. Where it becomes problematic is that the method does not get the point across to any audience which doesn't already agree with them. Compare this to Jesper Graugaard, who is know locally as the "Chromebook-dad". He's been campaigning against big tech in our schools for like a decade, and after 6 years…

I think you and I disagree. I don’t think Jesper is focused on the right issues. Big tech (private companies who largely just care about profits) and foreign governments (the Americans for example), are way lower on my “things Europe should be worried” about list. They’re there of course, but lower. Private companies don’t have the ability to ruin your life in the same way your own government does. They just want you…

> 99% of Americans couldn’t place Denmark on a map (I’m not kidding)

sixty one percent of statistics are fabricated on the spot?

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

joe_mamba wrote: post #186
ngruhn wrote: post #156

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>A successful case might be Luigi Mangione. Sorry, but how was that murder successful? Did it achieve the effect that everyone is getting cheaper healthcare now? OR, on the contrary, it only achieved that CEOs are now getting more anonymity and private security, while the plebs are getting more invasive law enforcement tracking like Palantir and Flock shoved up their ass to prevent them from doing something like that…

> Sorry, but how was that murder successful?

There's many anecdotes of people who managed to get lifesaving or lifechanging treatments in the panic after the CEO got murdered. Obviously, anecdotes aren't data - but it is highly likely that even though one life was lost, many were saved.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by Jweb_Guru »

Gareth321 wrote: post #161
monegator wrote: post #118

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> He goes way too far though that's what activist have to do to shake people

I have heard this claim before but I find it unconvincing. I have given up support of movements for which activists have acted cruelly or otherwise immorally. Obviously one person doesn't represent a movement, but if I only ever see immoral people leading a movement, that will form a basis for my opinion of the movement. My observation of these activists is usually that they seek attention at any cost. They will hurt…

> I have heard this claim before but I find it unconvincing. I have given up support of movements for which activists have acted cruelly or otherwise immorally.

Most people aren't this particular brand of irrational.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by mistrial9 »

pembrook wrote: post #178
dmurray wrote: post #169

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Even if you don't think he goes too far ethically , you can probably agree that it's reasonable for the police to intervene once he's interfering with the cars of government ministers.

Will the police intervene and arrest the ministers when the laws the ministers are enacting result in the same outcome for me?

never - the courts must make decisions

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by deanishe »

Mainan_Tagonist wrote: post #283
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #266

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> difference between terrorists and freedom fighters is a matter of which side of the fence Oft repeated but untrue. Terrorism, empirically, doesn’t work. Non-violent protest, and armed insurrection (aimed at the state, not its population) do. Sometimes freedom fighters can benefit from terrorism. But they are distinct strategies with separate targets.

And freedom fighters are supposed to actually care about "freedom" while terrorists generally do not. I fail to see what great advancements in freedom for anyone involved have come out of the terror attacks performed over the past 25 years.

Islamists fight to be the oppressors, not to help the oppressed.

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Post by stefanfisk »

l23k4 wrote: post #138
stefanfisk wrote: post #83

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Shooting intruders isn’t though. They’d basically have to attack you first for lethal force to be legal.

> They’d basically have to attack you first for lethal force to be legal. They just violently entered his home in an effort to attack him, dressed in a way designed to intimidate. These cops were deliberately cosplaying as some sort of a hit squad, they obviously wanted him to believe that they were going to kill him. It's not like the cops just accidentally went out dressed like that.

This is Denmark, not some Brasilian favela. That type of violent crime extremely rare in Scandinavia. But cops wearing civilian clothes while conducting a raid is fairly normal. Especially when they want to preserve evidence which might be quickly destroyed if the suspect sees them coming.

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Post by WarmWash »

Aurornis wrote: post #275
ngruhn wrote: post #156

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> A successful case might be Luigi Mangione. There have been several public opinion polls that included questions about Luigi Mangione. He’s consistently unpopular among the average population and his actions are generally unsupported. Not at all surprising for an extremist activist who literally committed murder in public. It’s only when you visit smaller internet bubbles like Reddit where you can start to get into…

This is also why twitter drove journalism (and perhaps even the country) off a cliff.

Naive journalists thought twitter was a "public square" that they could conveniently access from the comfort of their living room. They didn't know that it was a powerful echo chamber that resonated the best with strong views, and the space had long been a refuge for people with extreme outlier opinions.

Hence why "topics worthy of national attention" where just whatever was trending on twitter.

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Post by bazoom42 »

Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

Very charitable to call it a “grey zone” to stalk and dox children of politicians you dislike.

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Post by basilikum »

Lerc wrote: post #151
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

>He goes way too far though. Especially if he actually wants change, the way he "protests" is directly damaging his own cause, since nobody is going to sympathise with harrassing children. I don't think this is a given. Just Stop Oil says that their tactics do make people hate them, but their research tells them that it still makes peoples opinions on the issues move in the direction that they want them to. Their pos…

> but their research tells them that it still makes peoples opinions on the issues move in the direction that they want them to.

I'd really like to see that research.

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