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Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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Tax more

Ever heard of the tale of the goose that laid golden eggs? Imagine progressively feeding the goose less, so as to have a greater profit margin on the golden eggs it laid. No particular percentage of feed reduction seemed too harmful, until one day it died unexpectedly.

Just to be clear on the analogy, the goose is the tenants, and the person feeding it less every day is the landlord class?

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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Apart from maybe being a little more flexible on evictions, none of the other reasons seem problematic. For instance not renting to the first qualifying tenant is a common root for discrimination. Why wouldn’t you rent to the first qualifying candidate? The giving tenant three month rent thing is for a very small circumstance - for example huge rent increases if the tenant income is low, condo remodeling, etc. The wo…

Does this "first tenant" rule not incentivize people to apply immediately, sight unseen, and then they just eat the credit check fee on the apartments that they end up not choosing? Or maybe they can even bail before the credit check is done, if they can see all of their candidate apartments in that time, or at least do see the one they applied for and decide they don't want it?

> Does this "first tenant" rule not incentivize people to apply immediately, sight unseen

Is that a bad thing? Presumably that means they liked something about your rental. Happened a ton during COVID.

> Or maybe they can even bail before the credit check is done, if they can see all of their candidate apartments in that time

I highly doubt this happens in practice. It can be like $50 per application easy - renters are in general cost conscious. I certainly only put down the fees on apartments I’m serious about (usually two max). Why waste money?

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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Ever heard of the tale of the goose that laid golden eggs? Imagine progressively feeding the goose less, so as to have a greater profit margin on the golden eggs it laid. No particular percentage of feed reduction seemed too harmful, until one day it died unexpectedly.

Just to be clear on the analogy, the goose is the tenants, and the person feeding it less every day is the landlord class?

The golden goose is the landlords who develop and maintain housing, the withholding of feed excessive taxation.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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I've lived in properties with no form of rent control whatsoever. Landlords issuing 10%+ rent increases is awful. it denies you the stability that's granted by fair/consistent rent increases. It erodes the community fabric by having a revolving door of tenants who live there 1-2 years before leaving. I do agree that we should focus on other remedies such as building more. However, even in a market with ample housing,…

You could sign a longer lease and get the stability you desire. Negotiate a five year lease and stability is yours.

None of the landlords I’ve rented from wanted to do that. Sample size of like 8.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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> The uptick in rental delinquency isn’t new. It started six years ago It has nothing to do with Mamdani, for those of who don't want to bother to read. Most of this occurred under Eric Adams's watch. Anecdotally, I do think covid made people a lot more aware of how deeply backlogged the housing courts are. It seems like a lot of people (like the anonymous one in the article) realized they could not pay rent and avoi…

I think even the benefit for the less fortunate here is at most a short-term one. In the longer one, you need building and renting out shelter to be reasonably profitable, so that people do it. It's basically the same argument that says rent caps are bad for the renters in the long run.

Eh, I agree with the general point that rental housing has to be financially viable over the long run. I just don’t think NYC politics lets this particular problem turn quickly into a clean “landlords stop renting/developers stop building” outcome. It’ll look a lot weirder.

Affordable housing is too central to NYC democratic politics for the city/state to simply let a large share of subsidized housing totally collapse. More likely, they keep patching it with public money: arrears assistance, vouchers, preservation funds, regulatory tweaks, etc. That’s already basically the pattern.

The real likely long-term problem is that the city robs Peter to pay Paul: It props up housing operations by reducing funding for other services, creating recurring subsidy obligations, or risking pressure on its fiscal position and bond ratings.

They’re already doing that all the time: Part of how Mamdani plugged the budget gap, for example, was by delaying a classroom size reduction in public schools.

Obviously, I don’t think that’s a great long-term strategy. It turns a blind eye to an enforcement problem in favor of a recurring taxpayer-funded operating subsidy.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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I get where you’re coming from, but none of them are scarce inelastic resources. The work one especially doesn’t feel like discrimination. It’s also very different - you’re hiring someone to do a job for you, vs wanting someone who’ll pay rent on time and not destroy the property. A mediocre employee vs an excellent employee can make any huge difference to a business. That’s not the case with renters - if person A an…

> if person A and person B both pay on time and don’t trash the place then they are quite fungible. Based on those two sole criteria, no, they aren't. Person A might call weekly about trivial matters that they should be taking care of themselves (lightbulb burned out, oven needs cleaning, refrigerator water filter needs replacement, etc.), while person B just takes care of things and doesn't bother the landlord.

Yeah but you can’t eat your cake and have it too. Part of renting is responding to complaints. If you don’t want to do that then you shouldn’t be renting.

I had a landlord ask me “you’re not going to call me for basic things right?”. I’m paying you money, I’ll call you whenever I want. Didn’t rent from him. You can tell me do it yourself but why would I put money into someone else’s property?

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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> Most of Manhattan apparently has While NYC has never lacked for rot and corruption, those really aren't needed - or even particularly useful - for something like this. As soon as you've got any sort of law / regulation / status quo that benefits a class of well-to-do people, there will be intense pressure to maintain that situation. Vs. the opposition - honest reformers, idealists, the poor, whoever - even if they'…

> just never seem to have the zeal / focus / attention span / whatever to correct the problem Mainly because, bluntly, the people who have the most zeal, attention span, talent, and focus... aren't in the group.

Somewhat. 99%-ish of adult humans will show far more zeal, focus, attention span, etc. on any "Issue X", if both they and their peers have a whole lotta money riding on Issue X.

Then there's the problem of late-stage capitalism's whole "Those who have the most gold should make most of the rules. Especially rules about who is entitled to how much gold. And double especially if they're obsessed with nothing beyond more-is-better gold hoarding."

Ignoring the morality, that optimization leads to the sort "Rich get richer, poor get poorer, God obviously only loves the rich, desperately poor people resort to desperate measures" instabilities and violence that made Europe an often-horrible place from the Napoleonic Wars through WWII.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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I get where you’re coming from, but none of them are scarce inelastic resources. The work one especially doesn’t feel like discrimination. It’s also very different - you’re hiring someone to do a job for you, vs wanting someone who’ll pay rent on time and not destroy the property. A mediocre employee vs an excellent employee can make any huge difference to a business. That’s not the case with renters - if person A an…

Your experience as a renter is not the same as the experience of a landlord. If you've been on your first job for a month and you pinky swear to pay rent on time and the next candidate has been on their job for 3 years then I'll take that candidate every time. It's a risk calculation. You are more likely to lose your job than the other candidate, and when you do and can't pay rent anymore and won't leave then that is…

If everyone did that then how’s the person with a new job able to get a home? They might not all do it but it severely affects choices.

You also have more capacity to absorb a short vacancy in case this person is to lose their job. Can’t derisk your way out of everything.

It sounds like you never had to deal with shitty landlords, or didn’t really struggle too much in life.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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Just to be clear on the analogy, the goose is the tenants, and the person feeding it less every day is the landlord class?

The golden goose is the landlords who develop and maintain housing, the withholding of feed excessive taxation.

But aren't the tenants feeding the goose, in that case? With rent?

It feels like you've left some important people out.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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> New York is a city that people all around the world want to live in I don't know anyone that wants to live in NY. I would not move there for a 7 figure salary. I think some opinions in this discussion are based on old realities from 50 years ago, no longer accurate.

NYC is certainly the best city in the US.

This is a very bold and subjective statement. I don't disagree it is the best city in US for some people, but the objective best - I doubt it.
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