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Rent collections are down in New York

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Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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All slack has been removed from society. All pricing has been maximized. Every interaction capitalized. Every point of extraction extracted from. People living in these situations now live from crisis to crisis. Not paying rent/dealing with the consequences is just another on the list. At some point people just become numb. Modern society at the peripherals is not sustainable. There will always be people in the perip…

and the middle class is being destroyed

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2025/11/on...

And yes, it's inflation adjusted

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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The solution is pretty simple: build and unreasonable amount of housing. And entirely new cities. America has enough land. We could build new infrastructure, give people lots of land or build houses like we did in the 40s and 50s. Of the price of a house was brought down to 1x the annual salary of the median individual income some of these problems wouldn’t exist. We need to flood the system with investment and inven…

Detroit had tons of extra housing. Why have people people fled to other cities? There is no easy fast solution to this. Just build more housing will not solve complex issues. Not saying there should not be more construction, though.

Some cities are desirable. Some are not. New York is a city that people all around the world want to live in. Detroit is the opposite.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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post #312

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It's not rare. I repeat. It's not rare. I am a landlord in Seattle with ~55 active tenants/leases. Let's just say that I know of many landlords in the circles I run in that have absolutely stopped renting to leftie types because they've had so many issues over the last few years with many of them over litigating everything; and deciding not to pay rent over the smallest non-issues, or just not paying rent at all. I c…

Lefty tenant here. I def. stopped paying my rent a few times until my landlord fixed their shit or agreed to stop scamming me. Last time I did it I signed a lease for a year, with 2 months of advance notice if I decided to leave (in the UK). I told them 2 months before the end of my lease, and they told me I had to wait for the end of my lease, then wait 2 months, and then I could be out. I just stopped paying rent,…

> I def. stopped paying my rent a few times until my landlord fixed their shit

In most municipalities, this is OK so long as the thing that needs to be fixed is a habitability issue. Heat, water, etc

> One day he showed up at my place (with soup who was coming to fix something) and tried to enter. I told him to stay out.

??? You wouldn't let him solve the issue you stopped paying for? How do you justify that?

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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It's been exceptionally successful in Singapore, for one.

I currently live in an HDB property in Singapore. It's great. I'm originally from the Netherlands, which traditionally had a strong social housing sector: regions and cities would have their own housing corporations ('woningbouwcorporaties') tasked with building affordable housing. Those corporations were given government support after 1950 to help with the post-WW2 housing shortage, but were semi-privatized in the m…

Rents and housing prices went down a lot in Singapore during Covid. So them going up again afterwards is just a reversion to the mean.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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post #101

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I think even the benefit for the less fortunate here is at most a short-term one. In the longer one, you need building and renting out shelter to be reasonably profitable, so that people do it. It's basically the same argument that says rent caps are bad for the renters in the long run.

We don't always have to consider the apparently very fragile and fickle motivations of investors. Social housing can and has worked very well in many cases.

Seems like a non sequitur?

If you want people to be able to live in a place without paying rent, please just outright gift that to them and make that official policy. That may or may not be good policy, but at least it's honest.

But if the deal that people agreed to is to pay rent, then the courts should also enforce that.

You can get from one regime to the other, by eg buying out the landlords or outright expropriating them. But if you want to do that, please just advocate so outright.

Social housing may or may not be a good idea. But it's a completely separate issue from non-enforcement of existing rental contracts.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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For those looking for the actual data. It's from 2024 - says nothing about the current situation. * ~37K affordable housing units (baseline) across ~400 projects * 89% rent collection rate (down from 90.6% in 2023) * That's 600 units that went 'delinquent' in 2024 - assuming a $24K 'base' rent (just a guess) that's $15M in lost rent. * Deeply troubled projects (that can't survive without this rent) are at 11% - seems…

Tax property values.

We could talk about the merits of Georgeism but honestly let's set that aside - conventional property taxes are sufficient here. Most of Manhattan apparently has cough), they're a tiny fractional "decommodification" of property as asset, because the money collected from the owners is spent on the residents. Most of this money passes through directly into higher rents, and we shouldn't care about that, because it's spent on the residents (if the residents don't want good public services, literally hand them a check, direct redistribution). This punishes vacant properties appreciably, and pushes them back into the market.

The ecosystem of debt and bank collateral that has grown around near-zero property taxes has strongly encouraged high vacancy rates, because the banks directly demand that what rents be collected, are high enough to justify the collateral valuation, but don't actually demand that rents be collected.

Set property values to the rate of inflation (depending on your preferences, CPI or local COL or local selling prices or S&P), and you have fully "decommodified" housing without lining the landlords up against the wall and shooting them, an option that is increasingly popular.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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> a renter can’t easily absorb losing their home or a sudden 20% rent increase Right, so let's pass laws (where not already in place) that prevent sudden eviction (e.g. nobody should be able to be evicted if they are a few days late or even a few weeks) and prevent sudden 20% rent increases. No need to pass laws that prevent eviction for years. We can solve all these problems without causing other problems.

the obvious middle ground is preventing eviction until a new tenant is found. if you owe 3 months of back rent your landlord can put up your apartment but you can stay there as long as nobody takes it. if you pay back your debt they have to cancel the listing and keep your lease. that way theres less empty apartments and homeless people putting pressure on support systems.

People who want to rent a flat want to tour it first, this makes sense. But in your situation the tenant in arrears has an incentive to make the unit look uninhabitable preventing it from renting.

Additionally, if they are behind on rent, the deposit will not be enough to handle both.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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post #298

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You're describing a form of social housing.

No. Because HDBs are not owned by the government.

Yes. Because "social housing" is a general term that implies subsidization and affordability rather than any one specific ownership model.

Re: Rent collections are down in New York

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The solution is pretty simple: build and unreasonable amount of housing. And entirely new cities. America has enough land. We could build new infrastructure, give people lots of land or build houses like we did in the 40s and 50s. Of the price of a house was brought down to 1x the annual salary of the median individual income some of these problems wouldn’t exist. We need to flood the system with investment and inven…

Detroit had tons of extra housing. Why have people people fled to other cities? There is no easy fast solution to this. Just build more housing will not solve complex issues. Not saying there should not be more construction, though.

Detroit’s population has been steadily increasing, and rents there have doubled or tripled in the last 5-10 years.
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