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Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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As a junior software engineer, I worked at a large UK bank. Senior management routinely seem baffled that they could announce redundancies or hiring freezes, yet technology costs would continue to rise. One pattern I saw repeatedly was a contractor being let go, only to return via a large outsourcing provider. The provider must have added a substantial markup despite supplying the same engineer back to the same team,…

The military is like this. Higher Headquarters decides to contract out maintenance and logistical support for $aircraft_fleet. Uniformed maintainers go home in Friday and show up Monday making a lot more money to do the same job but without risk of getting posted or deployed. Contractor fees come out because of a different pot of money, so perverse incentives abound.

This is almost formalized in UK trains under TUPE. Train companies like Avanti exist as shells; they don't own track, trains, or stations, and when the franchise shifts to a different company the vast majority of the staff are taken on. Because - guess what - they're the people who can do the job and are in the right place.

Someone called this form of privatization accounting "playing at shops". It is slowly coming to an end as they are re-nationalized.

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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In Canada this is a huge scam. The government advertizes that it's funding incubators. Great, right?

The money doesn't go to the start ups - it all goes to large tech companies like IBM, etc, because, obviously, IBM knows about innovation.

The cover is that the government doesn't know tech so it will give money to trusted partners and they will choose who to give the money to because they've been doing such a great job innovating in Canada. Surprise: they gave the money to themselves!

You might have wondered why all these incubators in the crypto era were desperate to get you to go to their office. You might have also wondered: what fool is paying for this nice office in downtown Toronto where the prices are crazy-high? The taxpayer.

All of that money was completely wasted and worse, little of it went to actual start ups.

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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As a junior software engineer, I worked at a large UK bank. Senior management routinely seem baffled that they could announce redundancies or hiring freezes, yet technology costs would continue to rise. One pattern I saw repeatedly was a contractor being let go, only to return via a large outsourcing provider. The provider must have added a substantial markup despite supplying the same engineer back to the same team,…

Most large corporations treat these categories of employment as different budget line items with different rules and limitations: (1) full-time employees, (2) individual contractors, and (3) large contractor "body-shops" or outsourcing providers. Many times in my career, I have seen layoff a few from (1) then way over spend on (2) or (3). The mid-level manager who makes the decision gets to "claim" that expenses were…

(1) is considered a cost while (2) and (3) might be called an investment. Company can lie to investors that (2) and (3) costs could be removed at any time without interrupting any important business processes.

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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As a junior software engineer, I worked at a large UK bank. Senior management routinely seem baffled that they could announce redundancies or hiring freezes, yet technology costs would continue to rise. One pattern I saw repeatedly was a contractor being let go, only to return via a large outsourcing provider. The provider must have added a substantial markup despite supplying the same engineer back to the same team,…

I've told this story before, but I worked for an ISP that was obsessed with things like CAPEX vs. OPEX and staffing vs. outsourcing (they always mixed those two for some reason, even if I'd say that buying consultants and salaries are both OPEX). In any case, it resulted in outsourcing 50% of development to a another company, at twice the cost, then keeping those consultants on for a decade. The saving, had they hired instead would have been massive. The reasoning was: Well we can fire the consultants in within two weeks... sure but you can fire staff within a month or two. Six months at the most. Right now you're just announcing that you suck at long term planning.

At one point they were convinced that the operations team was horrible inefficient and outsourcing would be cheaper (they'd already pulled operations back from IBM, because IBM is expensive and incompetent). Luckily someone decides to get some other consultants involved and actually measure the inefficiencies, before taking action, so the savings made from outsourcing the team (again) would be more clear. They didn't expect to be told that they had one of the speediest, leanest and most efficient operations teams in the country.

Same company handed out 20% raises one year and the next we were apparently almost broke. Then no on wanted to work there, because there were no prospects of a raise in the future, so they started hiring new people at MUCH higher starting salaries. They'd start people out on the salary levels you'd expect to reach after 5-8 years, so they would avoid having to budget in raises.

At some point companies just get top heavy with incompetent business types, who doesn't tend to stick around, at least not in the same role for to long. They forget the past and start their playbook, which always happens to be the reverse of what happened two years ago.

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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In Canada this is a huge scam. The government advertizes that it's funding incubators. Great, right? The money doesn't go to the start ups - it all goes to large tech companies like IBM, etc, because, obviously, IBM knows about innovation. The cover is that the government doesn't know tech so it will give money to trusted partners and they will choose who to give the money to because they've been doing such a great j…

Sounds like Europe....

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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I worked for Advanced Network and Services, which operated the NSFNET and was later acquired by America Online. Then one day the company was acquired by WorldCom. A few years later the CEO was sentenced to 25 years in prison for a ~$10 billion fraud. As a systems administrator I knew nothing about any of that, but I could tell that the new management included a lot of players and empire builders. That's the signal th…

One more example to know if Company is about to go under is when the finance folks who have access to accounting books are leaving the company.

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I decided to take the advice of my lawyers who specialized in the topic of government projects. Based on the budget someone could have easily gone to prison and it probably would have been me because it looked like I was billing 80-hours a week when it was just one of many projects and so I was actually billing ~20/wk. The $1M threshold wasn't an anecdote - at the time it really was the limit in project size for pris…

If you were salary and not benefitting from it, there's literally no chance you would have gone to jail. This was the equivalent of panicking about running a yellow light in terms of overreaction. The only thing you had to do was write an email, cc your personal email, and tell your boss you think the punches are messed up and that they reflect more than you worked. Your boss would tell you not to worry about it and…

I love when people on the internet think they know better than lawyers about a situation they are barely familiar with.

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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At least you didn't work for an online gambling company....or assist with manipulating the political views of billions of people to their detriment...or work on better ways of killing people... Also, who hasn't worked at a company that produced a product and then abandoned it? I feel like that has happened often to me - many years of effort for nothing. It's not fraud exactly but it represents almost the same thing o…

> Also, who hasn't worked at a company that produced a product and then abandoned it? I feel like that has happened often to me - many years of effort for nothing. It's not fraud exactly but it represents almost the same thing other than the intention.

You can look at it this way. It trained you to be a better developer. So you got paid to learn and solve problems which developed skills will be used somewhere else.

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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What's the old saying? "Behind every great fortune lies a great crime." Most common people throughout history made their living working in the systems owned by aristocrats whose wealth was usually built on both corruption and theft. Guess that hasn't changed much.

Behind many, but I sincerely hope not "every". A trivial counterexample is Warren Buffet: he simply saved and invested. Or consider inventors with patents.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren-buffett-generated-doub...

https://x.com/theallinpod/status/2022746722191938017

Chamath explains Warren Buffett’s secret to success: “Markets thrive when there's information asymmetry”

“Now I'm gonna get a lot of people really upset with me.”

“This is an example of Warren Buffet's returns pre- and post-Reg FD. Now what do you see?”

“His returns were double the market returns when this kind of information sharing was legal.”

“And the minute that it became illegal and you had to act on the same edge as everybody else, his returns went to the market return. He generated zero alpha. In fact, he probably, on the margins, lost a little bit.”

“So this is the single best investor in the world. This is what happens when you have information symmetry.”

“So it's just meant to explain that markets thrive when there's asymmetry. Billions and billions of dollars will be made in asymmetry.”

“The prediction markets today, unless they are regulated out of existence or shut down, will look like the stock market pre-Reg FD, and there's nothing we can do except choose not to bet it, because otherwise what you're going to have are a ton of sharps taking advantage of a ton of squares.”

Re: Did my old job only exist because of fraud?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having morals doesn't mean you must self-sacrifice. If you have no obligations, you have no obligations .

If you only have morals when it's at no cost to yourself, do you have morals?

That doesn't make sense. Obviously if I refrain from stealing I'm upholding my morals at a cost to myself (the cost being the free stuff I don't get). You seem to expect people to have morals at every cost to themselves, implying that they don't have any morals otherwise. You may as well ask why people aren't donating all of their possessions and living at the minimum subsistence level. Or why haven't you donated one of your kidneys yet? Do you consider it to be too high of a cost to yourself, even though it would be the "moral" thing to do?
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