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Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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sawjet wrote: post #92
soundworlds wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allen AI do not get enough love. They are doing GenAI how it should have always been done. In fact, if the frontier companies had taken their approach, it would have started much slower, but I think we would be far more advanced by 2035. Instead we have a majority of society that wants to see AI fail.

Is there any evidence that "a majority of society wants AI to fail" Or is it just vibes?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48573332

Was discussed just recently, and there are multiple articles and surveys on AI sentiment.

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by intended »

einpoklum wrote: post #128
digitaltrees wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a good faith question? It would take several hundred pages to document even a fraction of the violations. How about deporting people without a hearing or opportunity to present evidence about their charges. And then violating the judges order to turn the planes around. How about systematically ignoring judicial rulings. How about detaining people based on the color of their skin and spoken language/accent. Ho…

> How about deporting people without a hearing or opportunity to present evidence about their charges. Not to detract from your general point about the US, your first point is something that's happened recently in Switzerland: https://truthout.org/articles/swiss-police-arrest-deport-pal...

That distracts from the point in favor of what, in this context, is a detail.

There are always incidents in all democracies with millions of people, that contravene the expectations of rule of law and integrity of its systems.

The US has degenerated significantly in the past few years, to the point that when someone asks “can you give examples”, I expect a disingenuous ploy more than genuine ignorance. The list of breaches is so long, that listing it results in numbness and exhaustion of the mental muscles responsible for being aghast.

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by At1C »

yeeeloit wrote: post #74
cdata wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If our strategy to avoid "slavery" involves "normal people" taking the local-vs-managed choice seriously, we have already lost. This choice is made for us. The deciding factors will be convenience and economics. My sense is that just like Web 2.0 SaaS we are destined for servitude. A better strategy is to play an assymetrical game IMO. Don't let your would-be master write the rules by which you play.

> A better strategy is to play an assymetrical game IMO. Don't let your would-be master write the rules by which you play. What do you mean by this? Do you have an example in the given context?

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Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by advael »

digitaltrees wrote: post #110
SwellJoe wrote: post #90

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It obviously does not. But, there is nothing preventing it. The US has given away all of our foreign scientists, if Europe wants them. All Europe has to do to take the lead in tech is ramp up research spending by an order of magnitude or two to match what the US used to spend (the US still outspends Europe on research, even after massive haphazard cuts and disruptions). Europe also has to welcome immigrants. Another…

I am going to ramp up building open source alternatives to every part of the stack. I am encouraging every YC founder to do the same. I am buying as much hardware as I can afford to have my own inference and training stack and funding researchers at Duke and CM to strengthen local and open source AI. I am also assembling the largest in home robotics training data set available which will be open source. Want to help?

Kinda, yea. I've never been able to afford to fully prioritize values-alignment in my work, but it is something I care about, and building anything proprietary and US-controlled feels increasingly bad, because even if a company's mission isn't evil, the state has demonstrated a strong willingness to force their hand if they can be useful to them at all, and punish them arbitrarily if they do anything that the ruling party dislikes. I do have bills to pay, but if you can meet my relatively (as tech workers go) modest needs and have a real plan to make something that enables rather than impedes digital sovereignty, I'd be interested in hearing what I could do to help

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by atemerev »

MASNeo wrote: post #17
atemerev wrote: post #6

I use it extensively. It is not ready for agentic use, but as a generic driving model for RAG use cases, it is pretty competent. You can build useful software with it.

I use Apertus including as the driver for an agent, not a coding agent. Find it useful enough. What was your Challenge?

Legal consulting.

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by sigmoid10 »

iamyemeth wrote: post #135

> Conclusion There are 2 r's in the word "strawberry". Not looking good so far

I guess they still use a tokenizer? Why would this kind of issue be solved? The model fundamentally can't see the word character by character like you do. For o200k tokenizers for example, what the model sees are 3 tokens: [302, 1618, 19772]. These are shown to you as ["st", "raw", "berry"] in the UI. The only way any model can infer individual characters is by using external tools or implicit knowledge picked up during training or (what many of the big labs apparently do) special training for these edge cases that fail once the next special case comes along.

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by polytely »

soundworlds wrote: post #73
maxloh wrote: post #8

Other fully open LLMs include Allen AI's OLMo 3.1 and MBZUAI's K2 Think V2, both of which have released their full training pipelines and datasets. Nvidia Nemotron is also an open training source model, though a portion of its dataset remains proprietary. Quoting lambda's comment: > Note that the Nemotron models are generally stronger than Olmo and K2 Think V2 (according to Artificial Analysis benchmarks), and there…

Allen AI do not get enough love. They are doing GenAI how it should have always been done. In fact, if the frontier companies had taken their approach, it would have started much slower, but I think we would be far more advanced by 2035. Instead we have a majority of society that wants to see AI fail.

I don't want AI to fail but I would like to see Altman anf Musk fail for example. I'm very uneasy with the power hungry silicon valley freaks that are running the show at these labs/companies. Hassabis seems like the only one that is not actually Evil.

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by luplex »

naklitechie wrote: post #112

What's the community's take on Sovereign AI being funded by states around the world? Why the emphasis on sovereign? Open is good enough. No?

Sovereignty is a political buzzword. From the political point of view, you want your country to be as independent as possible. This means you need the capabilities to build and deploy good AI models. Initiatives like this are more about capability-building and less about LLM-building.

Why do we need capabilities in Europe? Because Trump and Xi can't be trusted to keep providing us with new frontier models in the next years.

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