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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by shevy-java »

Aurornis wrote: post #437
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

> Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April.

Well, irrespective over as to whether this is the case, the blog entry from claude came yesterday, aka June:

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-ver...

So, why the two months delay here? If they felt all was already said, they would not have had a need to repeat what they wrote two months ago already that mandatory age sniffing is required for all claude users.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by wvh »

palmotea wrote: post #614
deanishe wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What allies? You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. You surely don't think you're coming back from that?

> What allies? > You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. > You surely don't think you're coming back from that? Trump threatened. Those were unserious remarks by an unserious person who's 80 years old. If that was all it takes to permanently demolish those alliances, they were never actually there.

That's not how democracy works. You have responsibility and accountability. These people can and do real harm.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by shevy-java »

pegasus wrote: post #601
ozozozd wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a strange plea for optimism. Sincerely or not, judgement is yours, Dario has been begging for regulation. He has been talking about how Claude models are distilled by foreign adversaries. And now the regulation is here. What makes you think this situation that the CEO of Anthropic is asking for it temporary? Do you not believe Dario was sincere?

Do you sincerely believe Dario wants Fable to be restricted to US citizens only?

Why else would they demand age sniffing?

I do not want to give my private data to any company, yet alone those hostiles US companies that obey the orange king. Insanity has to be contained, not allowed to spread outside of the USA. So, no to age sniffing.

The UK is also suspect here. I don't understand why they are even worse than the USA here. Someone needs to fix the UK legislation - it is by far the worst. On audits they regularly detain people and pat them down. See Auditing Britain or DJ Audits; the US Audits on the other hand almost never reach that level of escalation. Something is fundamentally flawed in the UK.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by numpad0 »

> Persona is a third party identity verification company backed by Peter Thiel. The announcement comes months after Discord dropped Persona as an age verification vendor following significant user backlash and a reported data exposure incident in February 2026.

So, in the end, it was just another mass ID grab by Persona? This also doesn't look like how EAR stuffs were handled.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ElProlactin »

rglullis wrote: post #641
ElProlactin wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, if all the data people uploaded to these models provided ironclad personal identification, would Anthropic need to have these identity verification processes? > But most likely all the inputs together only add to a rough identity hash. You literally provide your name, email address, address and credit card number when you create an account and subscribe. The identity verification they're doing is for legal pu…

> You literally provide your name... Not if you are using through your employer. > they're doing for legal purposes The USA is becoming a Banana Repulic. Having grown up in one, you end up learning that "the law" is never meant to be used for the benefit of the people but only to give the veneer of legitimacy for the authoritarian abuse by those in power. “To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law”: https://www…

Differential application of the law has been a part of American society for a very long time. I suppose you could argue that it's more brazen and accepted (or even celebrated in some cases) these days, but that could also be a function of people just being more willing to see it because America's reputation/standing in the world is in decline.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by jampekka »

Aurornis wrote: post #437
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

Crypto export ban lasted only about 45 years. :)

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by epolanski »

Aurornis wrote: post #437
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

> These situations pass. Administrations change. Technology evolves. We’ve had export restrictions on different chips and even cryptography software in the past. It doesn’t last forever.

The big problem American policy makers (and business leaders) don't understand is that they tend to minimize or ridicule extremely serious events.

There's a pre-Greenland and post-Greenland annexation threats for European Nato allies, and it is non reversible. EU allies do not forget that the US (the only country to ever call article 5 or to gather NATO allies for operations) has both mistreated the alliance, and has been the only power to threaten militarily EU countries.

Same happens here. Business-level wise, you seem to be talking with a very American-centric point-of-view, like these events are minor and temporary issues and we're all here waiting to throw money at an abusive relationship.

But this is not how we operate in EU. None of us can afford to build their operations based on uncertainty of US export controls. The damage is here and many of us are replacing Claude/GPT subscriptions with shared opencode servers using GLM and DS4.

Might be slightly worse? Probably. But we can work on it, harness it, get experience, and even update back to American models at some point. But we're no longer going to be building assuming US models availability.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by rglullis »

ElProlactin wrote: post #655
rglullis wrote: post #641

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You literally provide your name... Not if you are using through your employer. > they're doing for legal purposes The USA is becoming a Banana Repulic. Having grown up in one, you end up learning that "the law" is never meant to be used for the benefit of the people but only to give the veneer of legitimacy for the authoritarian abuse by those in power. “To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law”: https://www…

Differential application of the law has been a part of American society for a very long time. I suppose you could argue that it's more brazen and accepted (or even celebrated in some cases) these days, but that could also be a function of people just being more willing to see it because America's reputation/standing in the world is in decline.

Right, but do you agree then this explains why people are not willing to give their identity details to a company, even if the company is able to deduct/obtain these details through other means if it wanted?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by zubairov »

3stacks wrote: post #491
matheusmoreira wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. > Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access, while other models are able to catch up. Excellent point... That made me rethink my payments to Anthropic. As one of the foreign peasants who was banned from accessing Fable by the land of the free, it's become really h…

What is stopping you from switching to GLM 5.2 now? Have you tried it out yet? I'm playing with Deepseek a lot more via OpenRouter recently and the only major downside I can see is the usage billing over the monthly plan

The downside are opportunity costs - not using other models to make better decision, I guess, right?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by sneak »

btown wrote: post #360
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #322

Most importantly, they state "We [Antrhopic] are not using your identity data to train our models" but "Persona [...] can use your data [...] to improve their ability to prevent fraud." -- in other words, Persona can (and will) use your data to train their models.

Notably, though, Persona does not have access to your Claude interactions, other than your signup/verification date. They’ll train on your uploaded docs and photos, to be sure, but it won’t be correlated to your chats and projects, unless Anthropic is doing things that would make their counsel have heart attacks.

…and when they inevitably leak your government name with your facial biometrics? You can change your cc number and your phone number and your address. Your facial geometry, not so much.
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