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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by spragl »

bawolff wrote: post #4

> The prefece to the story is, that I in a kind of roundabout and (I think) humorous way published "my two favorite numbers" by spelling out a 10 diget and a 8 diget number with letters. I didn't tell what they ment, but they where prime minister Mette Frederiksen's social security and phone number Umm, so was he arrested for doxing the prime minister? Is there more to the story than that? As someone who cares about…

I think what is much more important, is that it exposes the shortcomings of the Danish SSN system.

It was introduced in 1968, when Denmark was a high-trust society. It was used as a sort of password and key for looking up your information. If you wanted to create a bank account, you told them your SSN. If you wanted to buy a car, you told them your SSN. If you had any contact with the authorities, you told them your SSN. And so on.

The usage has changed, but not that much. So today, when trust in Danish society is not as high, the system falls short. Identity theft. Privacy. Scamming. They have to be detected and stopped by other means.

The proper path forwards would be to radically change the system (or the society).

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by justinclift »

nxm wrote: post #153
ktallett wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would much prefer a society where all homeowners and cops don't carry guns and cops were fired for illegal raids.

That’s not the real world. Criminals will always find a way to get guns no matter the amount of gun control you impose, so I’d rather have law abiding citizens be armed as well

> Criminals will always find a way to get guns [...]

In that case, how about the cops can just shoot anyone with a gun who's not a cop?

Should keep things pretty simple, and the majority of the population in the US would be a bunch safer. :D

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by internet_points »

sword_smith wrote: post #17
bawolff wrote: post #4

> The prefece to the story is, that I in a kind of roundabout and (I think) humorous way published "my two favorite numbers" by spelling out a 10 diget and a 8 diget number with letters. I didn't tell what they ment, but they where prime minister Mette Frederiksen's social security and phone number Umm, so was he arrested for doxing the prime minister? Is there more to the story than that? As someone who cares about…

That same prime minister supports the warrant-less use of medical records in police work and the ban of encryption through chat control. She wants to prevent the Danish population from having privacy, but demands it herself. Sorry, but that's not the Western way.

Politicians these days are expected to have harder and harder skin. I've seen lots of stories in the news lately of (in particular young) politicians from scandinavia who dropped out of politics due to harassment, anonymous threats etc. And even more people who never get into politics, because of hearing about such stories. I sure as hell would not get into politics today.

I fear for what our political system will look like when only those who have become completely numb to such threats remain. What kinds people are they, those who can live with hundreds of daily hate messages and death threats, doxing of oneself and family members, having to live with security guards and secret addresses? What are we losing by allowing this kind of "freedom of speech"?

If your morals consist of eye-for-an-eye retribution, then maybe his actions make sense. But I do not believe that that gives us a better society.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by justinclift »

joe_mamba wrote: post #197
justinclift wrote: post #194

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>One less psychopath in charge of a US health care provider being around? What kind of broken logic is this? What good did this do for you if the end result for you is the same or worse now? Other than feel good for vigilante vengeance than then backfires on you in the end. It's not like there's a shortage of CEOs to take his place and keep doing the same thing. You're not in a comic book movie where if you kill the…

> What kind of broken logic is this?

It's not even slightly broken.

It's about the people responsible for destroying the lives of those they're supposed to be helping, instead abusing those people for personal gain.

Is that really something you think should keep heading in the same abusive direction it's been going for many years? :(

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by joe_mamba »

justinclift wrote: post #204
joe_mamba wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One less psychopath in charge of a US health care provider being around? What kind of broken logic is this? What good did this do for you if the end result for you is the same or worse now? Other than feel good for vigilante vengeance than then backfires on you in the end. It's not like there's a shortage of CEOs to take his place and keep doing the same thing. You're not in a comic book movie where if you kill the…

> What kind of broken logic is this? It's not even slightly broken. It's about the people responsible for destroying the lives of those they're supposed to be helping, instead abusing those people for personal gain. Is that really something you think should keep heading in the same abusive direction it's been going for many years? :(

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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by gpvos »

bondarchuk wrote: post #199
dataflow wrote: post #170

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I still don't understand what that has to do with encryption. Are these two separate policy proposals, one for GPS tracking and one for encryption, that this person is supporting?

Think about why do governments want to ban encryption? Because they want to know everything about you all the time. Collecting information on someone such as their location is of the same order.

It may be of the same order, but it is a different thing. No one, not even techies like here on HN, are going to see his actions as valid.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by bawolff »

my-next-account wrote: post #62
bawolff wrote: post #21

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Just because you disagree with someone does not make it ok to dox them.

That's a bit simplified, isn't it? He's pointing out precisely that "doxing" the entire population of Denmark shouldn't be acceptable to her, and that she's literally not accepting herself being "doxxed." If it was about, I dunno, pizza toppings or school budgeting, then obviously the actions would have been different.

> That's a bit simplified, isn't it?

No, i dont think it is.

> He's pointing out precisely that "doxing" the entire population of Denmark shouldn't be acceptable to her

Denmark is a democracy, that is a decision for the electroate to make during an election. In general we give governments rights and abilities that normal people do not have. Where the line should be is up to the voters to decide.

> and that she's literally not accepting herself being "doxxed."

Not really equivalent. I'm pretty sure the Danish survelience plans, whatever you think of them, intend to have some sort of controls against misuse. (Im not saying that makes them good or ok, just that they aren't equivalent to doxing people)

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by bawolff »

kachnuv_ocasek wrote: post #80
lemagedurage wrote: post #72

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Having their business transparent makes sense but by restricting people's personal lives like this would disincentivize good people from rising to power, which is not what we want.

Good, I don't want people rising to unlimited, uncheckable power and creating oppressive hierarchies in general.

It won't prevent bad people from rising to power. After all, i'm pretty sure Putin doesn't have this problem. He just throws people who do this sort of thing out the window. The only politicians that have something to fear from this type of activism is the non evil ones.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by redeeman »

Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

but all he does is things the politicians thinks are perfectly okay to do to the "plebs" they are supposed to represent.

when they do it, its A-OKAY, but if he does even 1/10, its the worst catastrophy in the world.

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