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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by rglullis »

ElProlactin wrote: post #623
joe_the_user wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if all the data people uploaded to these models provided ironclad personal identification, would Anthropic need to have these identity verification processes? They could have directed Claude to disconnect all non-citizens when the order came, for example. Perhaps they don't to frighten people with that ability. But most likely all the inputs together only add to a rough identity hash.

> Well, if all the data people uploaded to these models provided ironclad personal identification, would Anthropic need to have these identity verification processes? > But most likely all the inputs together only add to a rough identity hash. You literally provide your name, email address, address and credit card number when you create an account and subscribe. The identity verification they're doing is for legal pu…

> You literally provide your name...

Not if you are using through your employer.

> they're doing for legal purposes

The USA is becoming a Banana Repulic. Having grown up in one, you end up learning that "the law" is never meant to be used for the benefit of the people but only to give the veneer of legitimacy for the authoritarian abuse by those in power.

“To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law”: https://www.undp.org/latin-america/blog/graph-for-thought/%E...

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by vachina »

miki123211 wrote: post #292
data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US government that lets them share Fable with foreigners, but only as long as they know exactly who it is being shared with. This is off-putting to the HN demographic, but won't change anything in practice. 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

In a vacuum yes. But this space isn't vacuum, I'm going with path of least resistance.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by cyphar »

furyofantares wrote: post #493
dalemhurley wrote: post #432

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Why, is there any evidence to support your claim?

Polymarket gives 32% chance the ban on Fable is lifted this month. Even if it's never lifted, probably GPT 5.6 will be better than Opus 4.8 and they won't hype it up as too dangerous to release before releasing it. Open models will catch up to Opus 4.8 and state of the art will, most likely, continue to get better. It won't be long before "better than Opus 4.8" is not a big deal.

"This particular band of gambling addicts have bet money on a particular outcome at a ratio of 68:32, so there is a 32% chance of it happening."

Wow, how informative. Maybe I should go check my horoscope for if the Iran war will end next week...

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by joxdosba »

interloxia wrote: post #627
joxdosba wrote: post #611

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Where possible, I believe it's our duty to educate those who know or care little about how their devices work. Unfortunately stats aren't persuasive for my family, but they might be for some as a starting point. https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/victims-identity-th... Victims of Identity Theft, 2021 October 2023, NCJ 306474 https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/vit21.pdf

These links claim that identities are stolen, but do not explain how.

What happens to the victims, who are now presumably left unidentifiable? How are they tracked if they can’t be identified? Do their families recognise them? How does that work if they were married, had children or something? Does the identity thief just take over their whole life?

As far as I know, “identity theft” is a boogeyman invented by the banks. Traditionally, when someone would go to a bank and get a loan by pretending to be another person, we just called it “fraud”.

The banks realised that it would be nice to get you to feel some responsibility when they get defrauded, so after a bunch of focus grouping they came up with this new term to imply that you are somehow also a victim when the bank gets defrauded by someone else.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by hurfdurf »

jen20 wrote: post #477
metalspot wrote: post #407

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No. Google and Apple are already rolling out the infrastructure. FCC is requiring IDs for phones. It will be opt-in for a while but the acceleration of AI risks will inevitably lead to an infrastructure level lock down of the entire internet. 99% of the population will accept it without hesitation because it is no different than what they do already. Everything you do online is already logged and tracked. The only th…

> FCC is requiring IDs for phones. Sources?

https://www.404media.co/fcc-wants-to-kill-burner-phones-by-f...

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-421309A1.pdf

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/35134-new-fcc-rule-requirin...

https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/if-the-fcc-bans-burner-pho...

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by LauraMedia »

Aurornis wrote: post #418

This page has been up since April: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... I see a lot of comments linking this to Fable or implying that the existence of this page is triggering them to cancel. You should know that this help page and their ID process are not new. This page has been up for many months. It gets discussed from time to time, including in past HN posts.

At least I (living in the EU) received an email at work on the 18th that had this section under "What has changed":

2. Verification Data. As part of our efforts to ensure the security of our services, we may ask you to verify your age or identity. We have described what information we collect and how we collect it.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by abenga »

joxdosba wrote: post #611
-Fu wrote: post #578

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It’s not the five minutes that I balk at, it’s entrusting a third party with all they need to steal my identity. But of course, they’ll never get hacked…

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It is a legal fiction invented by corporations to pass the blame onto you when criminals convinces the companies to give them money in your name.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by shevy-java »

> Being responsible with powerful technology starts with knowing who is using it.

As said - YOU have become their product. I call it slavery.

Anyone still wondering who really is pushing for mandatory age sniffing on computers? We are seeing the whole picture slowly now. AI is a huge scam - it is all against humans.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by andrew_lettuce »

palmotea wrote: post #622
sofixa wrote: post #616

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No no, the remarks were pretty damn fucking serious. And the fact that the US could elect such an unserious and demented criminal, twice is proof enough that there is a lot to worry about. Who's to say who will be next? Or after that?

> No no, the remarks were pretty damn fucking serious. Trump says a lot of things. It's foolish to take every outrage seriously. It's pretty clear it's just a tactic of his (albeit a dumb one). > And the fact that the US could elect such an unserious and demented criminal, twice is proof enough that there is a lot to worry about. Who's to say who will be next? Or after that? Ok, then. If you're serious: kick the US o…

This completely ignores the very real, very serious damage he's doing right now, and the doors he's opening for future leaders. Discounting the dumb things he says is very dangerous. His words could lead to oh, I don't know - an insurrection?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by gentooflux »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #483
gentooflux wrote: post #62

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The number of AI companies there can be is absolutely hard-limited by infrastructure. The ones which exist currently are racing like hell to horizontally integrate everything from network to power and water for themselves

That's nonsense. You might not be able to afford to enter the market but that's not at all the same as a physical constraint capping the number of competitors.

You might not be able to afford to put up power lines or build a road, but that doesn't mean you physically cannot. By your logic there are no natural monopolies
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