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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by Gareth321 »

monegator wrote: post #118
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

> He goes way too far though that's what activist have to do to shake people

I have heard this claim before but I find it unconvincing. I have given up support of movements for which activists have acted cruelly or otherwise immorally. Obviously one person doesn't represent a movement, but if I only ever see immoral people leading a movement, that will form a basis for my opinion of the movement.

My observation of these activists is usually that they seek attention at any cost. They will hurt people to achieve that attention. Worse, I don't even think it's about the movement. They just want the attention personally. Others in the movement tacitly condone this behaviour.

I think the most frustrating part of this is that they claim it's to raise awareness. Who among us has not heard of global warming? Who has not heard of data privacy? The reality is that they're not getting the public support they desire because people just don't agree with their goals or beliefs, not because the public is "unaware."

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by defrost »

egorfine wrote: post #149
dataflow wrote: post #130

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I'm confused reading this. How in the world is GPS-tracking someone's car supposed to show hypocrisy with respect to encryption?

Because this someone wants to know location of everyone in the country while his own location should be of course private and protected.

Hmmm, in context he was(?) tracking a public ministers car.

I'm Australian and I'm all for peeling back and making transparent all the comings and goings of public officials (within reason) - they deserve a good return, a hefty return even, for dedicated public service .. and they deserve to know that there's a hammer waiting for any betrayal of public trust, shady financial dealings (while in office), etc.

As a "known in advance covenant" that's not altogether unreasonable, raises the bar for would be Trumpesque grifters, and allows for privacy for those not seeking access to public offices, trust, and cookie jars.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by raverbashing »

elsjaako wrote: post #143
raverbashing wrote: post #132

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I don't know about this case, so I can only speak in general. A lot of times people that say this don't make a strong case that some theoretical more moderate protest would be effective. There is just a feeling that if they personally feel offended by the actions of the protester then it's probably a bad thing. In reality it's often more complicated. I know some people that are involved with controversial protests, a…

Yes I totally agree, and there are nuances and details

But it's easy to push to one side or another

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by raverbashing »

l23k4 wrote: post #139
raverbashing wrote: post #132

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The level of general sympathy for one of those (and their level of success) is much higher than for the others

Maybe because they were actively avoiding civilian targets

And even then mostly because a lot of people were supportive of their cause even if they were against their methods

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by ale42 »

brador wrote: post #55
bypdx wrote: post #34

Privacy advocate with Google-nest cameras inside his home?

On device recording, so at least the illusion of privacy.

How did he get the videos out of the cameras that were seized if the recording was also not uploaded? Can Nest cameras upload/stream to private servers? (never had one so I have no idea)

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by spacedoutman »

bawolff wrote: post #21
sword_smith wrote: post #17

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That same prime minister supports the warrant-less use of medical records in police work and the ban of encryption through chat control. She wants to prevent the Danish population from having privacy, but demands it herself. Sorry, but that's not the Western way.

Just because you disagree with someone does not make it ok to dox them.

Actually it does, and much more.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by walletdrainer »

raverbashing wrote: post #164
l23k4 wrote: post #139

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The level of general sympathy for one of those (and their level of success) is much higher than for the others Maybe because they were actively avoiding civilian targets And even then mostly because a lot of people were supportive of their cause even if they were against their methods

>And even then mostly because a lot of people were supportive of their cause even if they were against their methods

But IRA didn't win because those people supported their cause, IRA won despite those people being against their methods.

It was the force they used which directly led to the GFA, without the bombs and the killing the British would never have surrendered.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by raverbashing »

walletdrainer wrote: post #158
SukadarBukadar wrote: post #155

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How is force working for Hamas? The shift in general sentiment towards Israel came from Israel's blatant disregard for civilian life and from their apartheid politics being put in spotlight. Hamas are still regarded as terrorist savages by everyone sane and their Oct 7 attack served as an excuse for Israel to set them back and hunt them regardless of collateral casualties, terrorizing their compatriots

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While there are useful idiots in any situation (especially inside the UN), the level of sympathy for them - while was never high is going down steadly

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by dmurray »

pembrook wrote: post #93
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

I don’t think he goes too far at all. If politicians are attempting to undermine your children’s right to privacy forever , and yet these same politicians don’t like when this is being done to their own children…it shows either an astonishing level of hypocrisy and/or stupidity. Europe is filled with these types of authoritarian urbanites, who make decisions from an elitist “i know what’s best for you” attitude while…

Even if you don't think he goes too far ethically, you can probably agree that it's reasonable for the police to intervene once he's interfering with the cars of government ministers.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by dataflow »

egorfine wrote: post #149
dataflow wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused reading this. How in the world is GPS-tracking someone's car supposed to show hypocrisy with respect to encryption?

Because this someone wants to know location of everyone in the country while his own location should be of course private and protected.

I still don't understand what that has to do with encryption. Are these two separate policy proposals, one for GPS tracking and one for encryption, that this person is supporting?
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