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Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by klustregrif »

teiferer wrote: post #60
breppp wrote: post #41

The archetype of the whining activist. Getting himself in idiotic trouble so he could benefit from the status of a victim and ensuing drama

If the goal was to maximize attention to the event (in order to use it to steer attention towards the cause) then it was quite successful, no? After all, we're talking about it here. Mostly about him and the details of the event, but some sub-threads are about the cause too. So, success?

Success in what exactly? There a very strong political movement in Denmark towards protecting privacy rights, then there’s this nutjob who just got out of jail for bribes, harassment, death threats against politicians and immediately he starts stalking the kids of the prime minister.

He’s not doing anything for the cause he claims to fight for. He’s doesn’t want a right to privacy he wants to be allowed to continue to sell drugs “in private” from the government. And he thinks freedom of speech should cover his freedom to harass and threaten politicians which it doesn’t and shouldn’t.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by ACCount37 »

l23k4 wrote: post #139
raverbashing wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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2 out of 3 for "bombed to shit". I wouldn't call that "working".

I'm not sure if Iran's regime has the staying power, but Hamas sure doesn't seem to be in a good shape lately.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by elsjaako »

raverbashing wrote: post #132
monegator wrote: post #118

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> He goes way too far though that's what activist have to do to shake people

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I don't know about this case, so I can only speak in general.

A lot of times people that say this don't make a strong case that some theoretical more moderate protest would be effective. There is just a feeling that if they personally feel offended by the actions of the protester then it's probably a bad thing.

In reality it's often more complicated. I know some people that are involved with controversial protests, and the effectiveness of their actions is definitely something they think about. It can't be too extreme, that will put people off like you say. But often there is conversations like in this thread, "this protester goes too far, but they do have a point". This moves the Overton window in the desired direction.

The goal isn't too make you like the protester, it's to make you think about the issues.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by watwut »

l23k4 wrote: post #139
raverbashing wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The final victory of Islamic Republic was after they did NOT used force against west, but when America and Israel started idiotic war, bragged about using force and then promptly lost.

This was quite literally the case of "actions backfire" situation.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by kakacik »

monegator wrote: post #118
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

> He goes way too far though that's what activist have to do to shake people

Attacking families is firmly across the line and looks like crazy man's personal vendetta. Who can vouch he won't go further and ie won't kidnap a kid to achieve his goals.

No wonder he gets raided, at one point it becomes a topic about protecting one's family, left or right, moral or crook doesn't matter anymore.

Its not activist anymore in any meaningful sense, just a fanatic.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by l23k4 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #142
l23k4 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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2 out of 3 for "bombed to shit". I wouldn't call that "working". I'm not sure if Iran's regime has the staying power, but Hamas sure doesn't seem to be in a good shape lately.

> but Hamas sure doesn't seem to be in a good shape lately.

And who do you see on track to displace Hamas? After years and years of conflict and being "bombed to shit", they're as entrenched as ever while their enemy declines much faster.

Israel is getting to a point where it has no friends left in the world, where the average European youth thinks nuking Israel and turning into a glass parking lot would probably be a net positive. Jews are starting to be broadly despised again thanks to Israeli policy, something that would have been unimaginable just a few years ago.

Hamas operatives lead shitty lives in the Gaza strip as they have for decades, but they certainly aren't losing control.

Over the course of a few years, Hamas managed to turn wearing a star of David in big EU cities into a dangerous political statement. And we're supposed to believe that they're not winning?

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by NonHyloMorph »

klustregrif wrote: post #15
sword_smith wrote: post #10

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Lars was a corrupt cop? Are you just using "corrupt" to mean "someone I don't like"?

I don’t care if you think drugs should be legalized, or even if you do drugs in your free time. If you are a cop doing drugs while on duty and decide to take it on yourself to not enforce the law against drug dealers you are corrupt, because you have decided to subjugate the law you are forced with enforcing. Now it’s true that he wasn’t officially charged with taking kickbacks from the drug dealers he would let oper…

One could read this persons activism as a narrative of "lesson learned" in this regard. Well you want the law applied to everyone equally? Well, actually.. you're right. In the sense as it seems to be the case that there is a motive in this persons action of make them experience being subjected to the legal/social order they promote.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by yorwba »

pembrook wrote: post #121
Quothling wrote: post #106

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This is what I meant by the grey zone. I personally think it goes too far, but I agree with the point you make here. Where it becomes problematic is that the method does not get the point across to any audience which doesn't already agree with them. Compare this to Jesper Graugaard, who is know locally as the "Chromebook-dad". He's been campaigning against big tech in our schools for like a decade, and after 6 years…

I think you and I disagree. I don’t think Jesper is focused on the right issues. Big tech (private companies who largely just care about profits) and foreign governments (the Americans for example), are way lower on my “things Europe should be worried” about list. They’re there of course, but lower. Private companies don’t have the ability to ruin your life in the same way your own government does. They just want you…

If you think that Jesper isn't attacking the right issues, but Lars does, then you should definitely hope that Lars switches to Jesper's more popular approach.

Unless you think there can never be a democratic consensus in favor of privacy, therefore the only way is for a small vanguard of privacy activists to impose their will on the hostile majority and establish a totalitarian privacy dictatorship. Then it wouldn't matter so much whether you look good in the court of popular opinion or not.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by egorfine »

dataflow wrote: post #130
Quothling wrote: post #22

I'm Danish and lars kragh andersen is a bit of a grey zone. He obviously goes over the line, he tried to put GPS trackers on the cars of ministers. He "stalks" their families, and dox their children online. He gave an interview on how he'd ignore people carrying a kilo gram of weed when he was a cop because he doesn't agree with the "war on drugs". On the flip-side, he's sort of right. I assume that putting a GPS tra…

I'm confused reading this. How in the world is GPS-tracking someone's car supposed to show hypocrisy with respect to encryption?

Because this someone wants to know location of everyone in the country while his own location should be of course private and protected.

Re: Danish privacy activist Lars Andersen raided by police

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Post by egorfine »

sword_smith wrote: post #14

Lars is good at exposing the hypocrisy of the Danish government. In a former case he, sent the exact same threatening text to a prosecutor as that prosecutor had received a police report from a third party about, and that the prosecutor refused to pursue. Lars got jail time for that. Rules for thee but not for me.

> exposing the hypocrisy of the Danish government

Does that change anything?

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