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Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by david_shi »

chriskanan wrote: post #41
halJordan wrote: post #37

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But have they? I understand that the Chinese side is illuminated and the American side is dark. I disagree that the Chinese labs have created anything that isn't in an American research lab or production dc. Sure the Chinese have published their findings and not for nothing. But are they novel? Unlikely imo

They are doing ta tremendous amount of novel research where American AI companies have "war rooms" to study their papers and models and American labs publish next to nothing. They have to often do more with less. As an AI researcher, Chinese labs are doing tremendous benefit to science whereas some American companies (and I'm American) seem to think only they are able to do AI research responsibility (I've been worki…

Whoa, say more about Fable sabotaging your codebase?

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by sawjet »

soundworlds wrote: post #73
maxloh wrote: post #8

Other fully open LLMs include Allen AI's OLMo 3.1 and MBZUAI's K2 Think V2, both of which have released their full training pipelines and datasets. Nvidia Nemotron is also an open training source model, though a portion of its dataset remains proprietary. Quoting lambda's comment: > Note that the Nemotron models are generally stronger than Olmo and K2 Think V2 (according to Artificial Analysis benchmarks), and there…

Allen AI do not get enough love. They are doing GenAI how it should have always been done. In fact, if the frontier companies had taken their approach, it would have started much slower, but I think we would be far more advanced by 2035. Instead we have a majority of society that wants to see AI fail.

Is there any evidence that "a majority of society wants AI to fail"

Or is it just vibes?

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by sawjet »

OkWing99 wrote: post #89
nezuzen wrote: post #16

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"the US has become an unsafe place to keep your data" I empathize with this but curious what would make any other country a better safehaven for your data? I personally like the EU's approach to data safeguards, but are there other locales/data protections you have in mind that would keep your data "safe".

I think US is the only country that's asked to limit their frontier model access based on the Citizenship of the user. Let's say Gemini gets to AGI by tomorrow, will my Google account access, or Gemini apps access and data be blocked if I'm not a US citizen? (Anthropic did it with a 5% better model). If US is classifying the model access based on citizenship, that's similar to treating it as a Defense capability.

I, as a US citizen, also cannot access claude fable.

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sawjet wrote: post #93
OkWing99 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think US is the only country that's asked to limit their frontier model access based on the Citizenship of the user. Let's say Gemini gets to AGI by tomorrow, will my Google account access, or Gemini apps access and data be blocked if I'm not a US citizen? (Anthropic did it with a 5% better model). If US is classifying the model access based on citizenship, that's similar to treating it as a Defense capability.

I, as a US citizen, also cannot access claude fable.

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Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by dvt »

soundworlds wrote: post #73
maxloh wrote: post #8

Other fully open LLMs include Allen AI's OLMo 3.1 and MBZUAI's K2 Think V2, both of which have released their full training pipelines and datasets. Nvidia Nemotron is also an open training source model, though a portion of its dataset remains proprietary. Quoting lambda's comment: > Note that the Nemotron models are generally stronger than Olmo and K2 Think V2 (according to Artificial Analysis benchmarks), and there…

Allen AI do not get enough love. They are doing GenAI how it should have always been done. In fact, if the frontier companies had taken their approach, it would have started much slower, but I think we would be far more advanced by 2035. Instead we have a majority of society that wants to see AI fail.

> Instead we have a majority of society that wants to see AI fail.

Do you talk to regular people? I work out of coffee shops routinely and literally like 90% of laptops have ChatGPT or Claude open. I was shocked at how many of my friends love the silliest of AI features (like Slack bot summarizing your day or your upcoming meetings), and a lot of decks, proposals, SOW's, etc. are (at least in part) generated with AI these days.

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by digitaltrees »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #43
digitaltrees wrote: post #21

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The rule of law exists in other countries in a way it does not in the US right now.

Can you give examples?

Is this a good faith question? It would take several hundred pages to document even a fraction of the violations.

How about deporting people without a hearing or opportunity to present evidence about their charges. And then violating the judges order to turn the planes around.

How about systematically ignoring judicial rulings.

How about detaining people based on the color of their skin and spoken language/accent.

How about violating the emoluments clause of the constitution by accepting a personal airplane.

How about sending your son in-law, who hasn’t been appointed to any office with the advice and consent of congress as required by the constitution.

How about refusing to seat elected congress members for reasons for months.

How about singling out companies like intel for targeted trade restrictions and then demanding equity in order to lift them.

What about threatening to delay or deny a merger of a media company unless your ally is allowed to buy them.

What about refusing to enforce the TikTok ban until you can arrange a buy out to an ally.

What about a formal market with a known price for pardons and commutations.

What about stating multiple wars without congressional approval.

What about creating a fake department named Doge that withholds funds apportioned by congress and breaks contracts that have explicit obligations for payment that results in more termination fees and losses than the savings. All without congressional approval.

How about threatening to withhold federal funds from states with governors of the opposing political party but not your own? Remember the president is supposed to execute the law congress passes not make law or arbitrarily enforce it based on their own political needs or values.

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Post by markhahn »

jimbokun wrote: post #84
SwellJoe wrote: post #81

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It isn't completely busted, unless the Trump administration has a personal interest in overriding the law. As sometimes happens when some foreign power, or just a random politician in another nation, does something he doesn't like. Or, when Trump has a personal stake in some other outcome. Who wants to gamble that Trump won't decide to wreck your businesses, sabotage your defenses, or spy on European citizens? We now…

It’s not clear whether Europe has the capability to compete with US tech right now.

any US tech? not even for specific purposes? yeah, if there was some kind of forcefield around the US, most of the world would have tech troubles at one level or another. but so would the US.

and really, the topic here is reducing a transgressive President from infringing tech activities elsewhere (used to be mainly about surveillance, but then trump happened).

Re: Apertus – Open Foundation Model for Sovereign AI

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Post by markerz »

sawjet wrote: post #92
soundworlds wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allen AI do not get enough love. They are doing GenAI how it should have always been done. In fact, if the frontier companies had taken their approach, it would have started much slower, but I think we would be far more advanced by 2035. Instead we have a majority of society that wants to see AI fail.

Is there any evidence that "a majority of society wants AI to fail" Or is it just vibes?

There’s a few polls that have shown most people use AI, but they also dislike it. I’m in that boat, where my company pays for my subscription, and I use it to be productive. But I don’t really feel good about it.

https://gizmodo.com/people-hate-ai-even-more-than-they-hate-...

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