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HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by shirro »

zulux wrote: post #45
kelipso wrote: post #28

I remember this vaccine being part of political discourse, so I everyone should be extremely skeptical of any news about it.

At one point, it was encouraged that 9-year-olds get the vaccine. As a parent, I'd rather my child wait until their immune system is more developed, with the idea being that if they're getting STDs at age 9, then there's a bigger problem.

There is a medical recommendation for ages 9-25 in my country though the public funded mass vaccination program is for 12-13 as the most effective age.

The thought that a 9yo would need protection from STDs is very upsetting which I would guess makes it a talking point. It is better to mass vaccinate at whatever age is publicly acceptable than not at all so I would concede that to critics.

Anyone exposed to sexual activity at such an age is clearly a victim of abuse. Penalising victims of abuse, whether it be forcing them to attempt to carry a baby to term, against medical advice, or forcing them to deal with the consequences of STDs is a very peculiar and nasty attitude. When societies start justifying denial of care and treatment along lines of class, politics, age, race, religion, gender or perceptions of "morality" there's a bigger problem.

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Post by naturalmovement »

mullingitover wrote: post #120
naturalmovement wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms You might want to let Europe know about your fire alarm analogy because the whole of Eastern and Southern Europe including Spain and Italy as well as Iceland have no requirement for smoke detectors in residences. The justification is their superior brick and plaster construction makes them unnecessary compared to American and Australian matchstick and drywall construct…

This is interesting but not relevant to the discussion at hand, thanks for the info though!

It's relevant in the same sense that they feel the risk is sufficiently low for their particular circumstances that the threat to their well being is not enough to mandate it.

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Post by photochemsyn »

This is such a ridiculously complicated subject, there are people who spend ten years in training just so they can handle the complexities of individual instances of this kind of health issue. Why would a corporate media outlet try to weigh in? A crossover between the pharma marketing and the news division seems most likely. Someone said I used AI in my posts recently, and no, I write all my words by hand. But I do use things like this:

Role: You are an expert in the clinical detection and medical treatment of cervical cancer in human females over the course of the 20th century.

Objective: Review the totality of evidence for the cause of these cancers, including but not limited to environmental exposure, viral infection, or any other factor whatsoever that has been reputably liked to the incidence of cervical cancer in human females over the 20th century timeline as reflected in the reputable medical literature.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by mullingitover »

naturalmovement wrote: post #122
mullingitover wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is interesting but not relevant to the discussion at hand, thanks for the info though!

It's relevant in the same sense that they feel the risk is sufficiently low for their particular circumstances that the threat to their well being is not enough to mandate it.

Great point.

Some places, like Denmark, have Cadillac-grade health care systems and are able to manage infectious disease on a national level like a Formula 1 team. They are able to be less stringent because it's far easier to get a handle on disease outbreaks.

Other places, like the US, are running 1992 Chevrolet Cavalier-grade health care system and are able to manage infectious disease on a national level like a group of drunk fraternity members. There's little choice but to use every blanket policy available to try to keep disease in check.

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Post by ropable »

qsera wrote: post #116
bluedevil2k wrote: post #75

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> my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months Why? At what point did you say “I know a better vaccine schedule than highly trained specialist doctors who have done decades of research on hundreds of thousand of children”? You don’t find this incredibly naive to think you know better than them?

I have seen a "highly trained specialist" declare that a baby can easily accommodate thousands of vaccines a day (advocating for the then existing vaccine schedule), because the immune system encounter that many pathogens per day! I hope I don't have to explain the fallacy in that to the crowd here.

There exists a possibility that they were correct and you are not.

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Post by 59percentmore »

chasely wrote: post #74
blcknight wrote: post #19

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For some reason not really talked about in mainstream medicine for straight men. It makes no sense. Very safe vaccine and you're eligible into your 40's to get it. Everyone sexually active probably has some strains but not all.

I was denied the vaccine by my healthcare provider as a man in my mid-20s. Their reasoning being that I was likely already exposed. It may have been true, but would still have liked to get the vaccine since it covers many multiple strains.

IIUC they've been slowly expanding availability over the years. Someone who was denied in their 20s might be able to get it now in their 30s.

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Post by dfc »

jhbadger wrote: post #84
smelendez wrote: post #49

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In the UK, I believe jab has long been equivalent to shot in the US (complete with nonviolent connotation despite the word meaning something violent in other contexts).

Maybe, but it's a bit weird to complain about connotations for "jab" when the US word is "shot" which surely has even more violent connotations,

A shot of tequila? Or my team having a shot at winning world series? There are lots of shots.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by jrmg »

dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #97
moralestapia wrote: post #46

What's the rate for the unvaccinated group? So a comparison can be made vs. the vaccinated one. The fact that they leave this out is a bit weird, sloppy journalism I guess.

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This is a ridiculous statement. No one is developing a vaccine for something they don’t even know the rate of incidence of.

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Post by verall »

dfc wrote: post #127
jhbadger wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but it's a bit weird to complain about connotations for "jab" when the US word is "shot" which surely has even more violent connotations,

A shot of tequila? Or my team having a shot at winning world series? There are lots of shots.

Don't brits use the same way, i.e. "Take a jab at it"?

- not a brit so idk

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