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FireBeyond wrote: post #445
UltraSane wrote: post #444

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Then please explain in your own words what "From the River (Jordan) to the (Red) Sea" means? And the destruction of Israel is the explicit goal of Hamas as stated in their charter. "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it" and called for holy war to establish an Islamic state across historic Palestine.

And surely you’ll reply with what Likud meant. Look, to be very clear: Hamas is absolutely a terrorist organization who has caused constant harm to both Israelis and the average Palestinian they purport to represent (there have been no elections since 2006, Hamas are the only people with weapons in Gaza, and the average citizen might as well be a hostage - and frankly they’d turn against Hamas a lot more if Israel di…

I have no idea what likud meant and don't understand why it matters.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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tovej wrote: post #446
UltraSane wrote: post #435

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"The Palestinians were the only people living on the land before the settlers came" And native americans were living in Canada, US, and Mexico before settlers came. The Palestinians are hardly unique in losing land in a war. In fact this is basically the norm in human history. What is almost unique is how Palestinians have made their lives much much worse pathetically trying to get the land back when they have absolu…

The Palestinians did not start the war. Israel has started every war against the Palestinians, including the 1948 one. Israelis are not indigenous (there are rare exceptions of Mizrahis or Jerusalem Palestinians with some form of citizenship), they are colonists.

Arabs stared the war when they rejected the UN offer of a sovereign internationally recognized Palastinian state and tried to destroy Israel instead. They lost. In retrospect this was very stupid.

It doesn't matter if Israelis are indigenous or not because 7 million people are not going to leave.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by UltraSane »

tovej wrote: post #447
UltraSane wrote: post #439

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Thank you for providing a perfect example of how the word zionist has become a replacement for kike among jew-haters.

You can stay paranoid or you can choose to face reality. Up to you.

Reality is that irrational hatred of Jews has become normalized among the far left.

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Post by dlubarov »

tovej wrote: post #446
UltraSane wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The Palestinians were the only people living on the land before the settlers came" And native americans were living in Canada, US, and Mexico before settlers came. The Palestinians are hardly unique in losing land in a war. In fact this is basically the norm in human history. What is almost unique is how Palestinians have made their lives much much worse pathetically trying to get the land back when they have absolu…

The Palestinians did not start the war. Israel has started every war against the Palestinians, including the 1948 one. Israelis are not indigenous (there are rare exceptions of Mizrahis or Jerusalem Palestinians with some form of citizenship), they are colonists.

> rare exceptions of Mizrahis

It's not rare at all, the majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi.

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Post by DrScientist »

DrScientist wrote: post #385
SilverBirch wrote: post #382

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Google acquired his company in 2024 for $2.7Bn with him taking about 40% of that. I'm quite sure that no matter where he went, any lab or his own start up, he would be fine financially.

I'm sure he was fine financially when he first worked at Google - without leaving to found the startup as well. But money at that level isn't about being financially secure - to have a roof over your head and food to eat - it's about power. Money at that level gives you the ability to shape the world in ways others can only dream of - whether that be starting your own company where you can set the values, funding a c…

BTW I notice John Jumper chose Anthrophic ( or vice a versa ).

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Post by DrScientist »

ttoinou wrote: post #387
DrScientist wrote: post #376

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Sadly most science and engineering is very capital intensive. So take this scenario - I'd argue that if you want to make progress in the field of these particular ML models, then you are going to need resources ( compute/data etc ) that is beyond most individuals capability to muster. ie you have to join a company with resources ( or persuade somebody to give you them ). Right now there is one of those scenarios wher…

Having the whole world connected to top sports players also costs a lot of money, it doesn’t happen naturally To become a good scientist you don’t need much classic capital, you need a good environment. And for ML you only need one computer for yourself or you can rent online There are still big inefficiencies for those who have capital to discover good scientists / engineers. Lots of them are unknown. But if there a…

> Having the whole world connected to top sports players also costs a lot of money, it doesn’t happen naturally

The existence of pay-per-view sports TV wasn't a pre-requisite for professional football - that existed way before - clubs self funded from gate receipts, local business sponsorship - they grew out of the local communities.

Sure, global TV has brought in the big money, but it wasn't required for the game to exist - but the opposite is true - pay-per-view sports TV is very dependent on sports like football.

> To become a good scientist you don’t need much classic capital, you need a good environment.

Pretty much all scientists learn their craft doing a government funded PhD in government funded labs using government funded equipment. ie governments provide the capital. People simply aren't self taught.

> And for ML you only need one computer for yourself or you can rent online

In theory - but modern AI is so resource intensive, good luck competing with the likes of Google/OpenAI, even Deepseek like that.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by DrScientist »

ttoinou wrote: post #387
DrScientist wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly most science and engineering is very capital intensive. So take this scenario - I'd argue that if you want to make progress in the field of these particular ML models, then you are going to need resources ( compute/data etc ) that is beyond most individuals capability to muster. ie you have to join a company with resources ( or persuade somebody to give you them ). Right now there is one of those scenarios wher…

Having the whole world connected to top sports players also costs a lot of money, it doesn’t happen naturally To become a good scientist you don’t need much classic capital, you need a good environment. And for ML you only need one computer for yourself or you can rent online There are still big inefficiencies for those who have capital to discover good scientists / engineers. Lots of them are unknown. But if there a…

> There are still big inefficiencies for those who have capital to discover good scientists / engineers. Lots of them are unknown.

The way it works in academia is that scientists compete with each other for the limited capital ( grant funding and jobs ). Not the other way around.

> But if there are top ones famous it will bring more people to study those fields

Is the problem lack of talent in these fields or the narrow allocation of capital?

Is it really true that Noam is the only person in the world that could have done what he did or where their in fact lots of people who would have succeed given the same opportunities?

That's not to devalue what they did or the impact - and I'm all for recognising the contributions of scientists to society - but the reality is, for the most part, talent competes for capital rather than the other way around.

I'd also point out that I suspect the high profile appointments of people like Noam and John to OpenAI and Anthropic is as much to do with adding star quality to the IPO as much bringing in talent ( and that's not to diminish their talent ).

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Post by tovej »

dlubarov wrote: post #455
tovej wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Palestinians did not start the war. Israel has started every war against the Palestinians, including the 1948 one. Israelis are not indigenous (there are rare exceptions of Mizrahis or Jerusalem Palestinians with some form of citizenship), they are colonists.

> rare exceptions of Mizrahis It's not rare at all, the majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi.

That's not true, it's not a majority. It is true that Mizrahi are ~40-45% of Jews in the country, but all Mizrahim are not all indigenous to Palestine. I was referring to the subset of Mizrahi who are Palestinian.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by tovej »

UltraSane wrote: post #453
tovej wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can stay paranoid or you can choose to face reality. Up to you.

Reality is that irrational hatred of Jews has become normalized among the far left.

The left? The left is against Israeli violence. The far right hates Jews.

Let's compare figures like, say Nick Fuentes and Hasan Piker.

Fuentes regularly spouts vile anti-semitic rhetoric, painting up a picture of Jews as greedy schemers.

Piker always makes it clear he is talking about Israel, not Jews. Painfully so.

I have not seen a single self-odentified leftist say anything anti-semitic IRL. But I have seen right-wingers do this.

And this same story is reflected in politicians statements as well. The right is anti-semitic.

The ADL claims that the left is, but that is because the ADL wants to conflate Israel with the entire ethnic group of Jews. Which is an obvious and silly bad faith trick. You're also doing the same thing.

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