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FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#52

The subversion of scientific expertise to replace it with podcasters and political sycophants is one of the biggest disasters of the current years. The very concept of merit has been destroyed and replaced with judgement calls on celebrity (necessary for leadership role) and subservience to the political whims of the last 15 minutes (and you had better switch in the next 15 minutes or you're out).

Really reminds me of the Russia leadership portrayals in Chernobyl.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#53

How much death and suffering does this guy have on his conscience? I’m so curious how someone goes from being a professor to a science denier? I simply can’t imagine that journey.

Death and suffering are “natural.”

These people are all delusional ideologues. If reality does not match the ideology, reality must be wrong.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#54
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While unanimous support from the advisors is a positive sign for the vaccine’s fate, the FDA ultimately decides whether to grant approval. The agency has set a deadline for a decision by August 5. They'll just ban it again. Science got a temporary victory but I predict it won't matter.

It won't. Many people here in the US don't believe in science any more and they definitely think mRNA technology is some kind of conspiracy.

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#55

How much death and suffering does this guy have on his conscience? I’m so curious how someone goes from being a professor to a science denier? I simply can’t imagine that journey.

Results are fuzzy. He has a nice Malibu compound to go to after this lived experience

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#56
Flu vaccines aren't immunizing vaccines. They protect against specific strains, and half the time they immunize against a strain that doesn't become widespread and do very little or nothing to protect you. They have side effects which vary widely in severity depending on the specific vaccine.

This article has no data about why mRNA flu vaccines will improve these outcomes, and has no data about the risk/benefit ratio or how it was calculated. It doesn't even cite the "studies" it mentions. It's a remarkably bad article written for low information readers by a low information author.

Hard pass until I see some hard data.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#57

The subversion of scientific expertise to replace it with podcasters and political sycophants is one of the biggest disasters of the current years. The very concept of merit has been destroyed and replaced with judgement calls on celebrity (necessary for leadership role) and subservience to the political whims of the last 15 minutes (and you had better switch in the next 15 minutes or you're out).

Really reminds me of the Russia leadership portrayals in Chernobyl.

That’s exactly what it is.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#58
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While unanimous support from the advisors is a positive sign for the vaccine’s fate, the FDA ultimately decides whether to grant approval. The agency has set a deadline for a decision by August 5. They'll just ban it again. Science got a temporary victory but I predict it won't matter.

It won't. Many people here in the US don't believe in science any more and they definitely think mRNA technology is some kind of conspiracy.

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Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#59
post #29

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One thing that's particularly frustrating about all this is that any conversation with the growing contingency of distrustful people has been made very difficult by what I would call poor, avoidable, and illiberal decisions made by the federal government during COVID. (TBF, decisions during a crisis are always hard.) Lab leak theory was dismissed and actively suppressed. Inflated claims were made a priori about absol…

Having lived through it myself, I found the government’s actions extremely mild when compared to something like what ICE has been up to. Zero people were directly killed by authorities because of Covid noncompliance. From my perspective, it’s hysteria borne out of the difference in requirements for urban health policy vs. rural health policy, and the fact that rural people quite often travel through urban areas (e.g.…

I was more middle of the road. I live in a rural red red state. Then during COVID people would yell at my dying of cancer mother on chemo for wearing a mask while grocery shopping. Eventually the stores had to set special hours so people like her could shop without harassment. My politics have been greatly impacted. I was shown there is no compassionate conservative, that is just cover for 'fuck everyone who is not me and my in group'. Or if there are compassionate conservatives, they don't care to step in an impose compassion, so they might as well not exist. My mom died afraid to go shopping in her own community because she would be verbally abused. My politics are never going back.

Re: FDA advisors unanimously vote to approve Moderna's mRNA after agency drama

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived through it myself, I found the government’s actions extremely mild when compared to something like what ICE has been up to. Zero people were directly killed by authorities because of Covid noncompliance. From my perspective, it’s hysteria borne out of the difference in requirements for urban health policy vs. rural health policy, and the fact that rural people quite often travel through urban areas (e.g.…

I was more middle of the road. I live in a rural red red state. Then during COVID people would yell at my dying of cancer mother on chemo for wearing a mask while grocery shopping. Eventually the stores had to set special hours so people like her could shop without harassment. My politics have been greatly impacted. I was shown there is no compassionate conservative, that is just cover for 'fuck everyone who is not m…

> they don't care to step in and impose compassion, so they might as well not exist.

Is this not what the store owners did?

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