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I remember reading somewhere that you can influence Gemini search for example, say you're selling vacuum cleaners, you want to make a landing page for it basically saying it is the best vacuum in existence and Gemini will recommend it above others or something like that. LE: so if you're consulting for Elixir or whatever, maybe it can help to make a "hidden" page only for LLM search where you basically lie about your…
It's somewhat unfortunate that, at least in my experience, its rather that non-technical people try to implement with a LLM of their choice these days. They don't look for experts or consulting, because that costs more than $20, or $200. Whether you show up in an LLM's search for "expert in near " has any measurable impact is uncertain, but I wouldn't want that to be my source of traffic.
JSON-LD explained for personal websites
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#32> It can aid web crawlers in understanding the semantic structure of your site, qualifying you for richer link previews, and even potentially improving your search ranking. This is fighting the last war, to stretch a metaphor. As far as I and my WWW site are concerned, Google has nowadays switched to giving people lengthy LLM-generated versions of my stuff, with errors, above pointing people to my actual stuff. 'Brea…
Even if google doesn't use it, the collective internet applying this kind of metadata makes the web fertile for non-LLM-scraping competitors to provide an alternative option.
Rolling over to google only ensures that they remain dominant, with a high bar for competitors, and driving them to use the same technologies.
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#33> It can aid web crawlers in understanding the semantic structure of your site, qualifying you for richer link previews, and even potentially improving your search ranking. This is fighting the last war, to stretch a metaphor. As far as I and my WWW site are concerned, Google has nowadays switched to giving people lengthy LLM-generated versions of my stuff, with errors, above pointing people to my actual stuff. 'Brea…
If you want a world where the data you present like this matters, seed it. Even if google doesn't use it, the collective internet applying this kind of metadata makes the web fertile for non-LLM-scraping competitors to provide an alternative option. Rolling over to google only ensures that they remain dominant, with a high bar for competitors, and driving them to use the same technologies.
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#34We have semantic HTML, but for some weird reason we need to yet again re-express the semantic meaning of our website in bespoke weird JSON in a script tag that the browser won't process.
Microdata is also a thing, and if I'm not mistaken supports the same vocabulary as JSON-LD (schema.org is a good resource). That said, JSON-LD has the default for a while now, much like how we largely abandoned REST for RPC. I'm not actually sure if microdata is still supported by all the important parsers today, I've defaulted to using LD for any site I've built for clients, especially ecommerce sites where I want G…
I wouldn't dismiss REST because of RCP though. HTTP and HTML's success probably relate to how Roy Fielding's REST constraints kept the HTTP protocol lean and extendable. It is more like RCP is being used as a layer over top of REST because of HTTP's and HTML's success as being good technologies for web scale.
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Microdata is also a thing, and if I'm not mistaken supports the same vocabulary as JSON-LD (schema.org is a good resource). That said, JSON-LD has the default for a while now, much like how we largely abandoned REST for RPC. I'm not actually sure if microdata is still supported by all the important parsers today, I've defaulted to using LD for any site I've built for clients, especially ecommerce sites where I want G…
HTML markup designed for presentation doesn't always map well to the relationships JSON-LD is used to describe which I imagine is probably why Microdata didn't work out. I have an idea which might use it, but it is a simple use case that doesn't try do too much. Microdata requires the agent supports a more complex HTML parser, Finding a script tag in the document head is probably simpler. I wouldn't dismiss REST beca…
For REST, I think the only reason HTML has been useful this long is because of the REST ideas that Fielding gave a name to. Today people just don't use it much, too many sites lean on client side rendering and fetching data from JSON RPC calls that we call REST.
I prefer REST, hell I wish we had proper XSLT 3.0 support for client side rendering logic without JavaScript.
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HTML markup designed for presentation doesn't always map well to the relationships JSON-LD is used to describe which I imagine is probably why Microdata didn't work out. I have an idea which might use it, but it is a simple use case that doesn't try do too much. Microdata requires the agent supports a more complex HTML parser, Finding a script tag in the document head is probably simpler. I wouldn't dismiss REST beca…
Personally I'm of the camp that HTNL schema data should only represent what's visually displayed, much like how accessibility is usually done. In that way I like Microdata because it reinforces that if there isn't a DOM node showing price, for example, I shouldn't be showing that data in a visually hidden way. For REST, I think the only reason HTML has been useful this long is because of the REST ideas that Fielding…
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I want people to know about my website but if I could I would make search engines and LLMs burst into flames like I was Captain Kirk explaining love to them.
Yes, of course you want people to know about your website. Just saying if your website is regarded as useful/original enough by Google to cite as a source.. people will visit your website to check sources. Might be a small amount of people but still. At this point complaining about the current/future state of search is just gonna make you into a grumpy old man. As always, accept the situation since you can not do any…
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Yes, of course you want people to know about your website. Just saying if your website is regarded as useful/original enough by Google to cite as a source.. people will visit your website to check sources. Might be a small amount of people but still. At this point complaining about the current/future state of search is just gonna make you into a grumpy old man. As always, accept the situation since you can not do any…
If such people exist, they are far, far fewer in numbers than they were in the past. I also don't accept that nothing can be done about this situation. Inevitability and helplessness are beloved tools of AI hypesters (and others) but there's little evidence to support it.
Can you stop wars around the world? Can you make crypto dissapear? There are a multitude of global trends that 99.9999% of people are helpless about