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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Why, is there any evidence to support your claim?

There is a long history of US export restrictions on technologies. They have all been temporary. It would be extraordinary if this was the beginning of the first ever permanent technology export restriction.

From outside the US, there has been so much "extraordinary" stuff happening in US politics recently that it's almost expected now.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#472

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I bet that if you don't use companies that enforce these verifications, and they start to lose money, things will shift very fast.

No. Google and Apple are already rolling out the infrastructure. FCC is requiring IDs for phones. It will be opt-in for a while but the acceleration of AI risks will inevitably lead to an infrastructure level lock down of the entire internet. 99% of the population will accept it without hesitation because it is no different than what they do already. Everything you do online is already logged and tracked. The only th…

> The only thing moving to digital real id does is prevent criminal activity.

As defined by the politicians bought and paid for by the corporations via their lobbyists.

You actually think this is a good thing?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#473

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Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/20260415064244/https://support.c... > As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old. LLMs are not the first te…

Export controls have typically been for physical goods. Don’t remember the last time it was used for an API

You should look up the words "crypto wars". There were absolutely very annoying attempts by the US government to limit encryption, forcing every software maker to maintain two editions of their software: one targeting the domestic audience with no restrictions, and one "international edition" which had to intentionally weakened encryption (as in ship with shorter key lengths).

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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If you think the field you are working in is more dangerous and important to the future of national security than i.e. nuclear energy and nuclear bombs you should really not just shut up and act like a cold blooded capitalist. It feels like people here are not able to separate their personal dislike of the effective altruist types from a real debate on how big the stakes of AI are.

It’s tough to separate with them because “for the greater good” and “saving people from themselves” has historically not gone over well, especially when we all know it’s a veneer and get cold blooded capitalism.

Seems to work pretty well at keeping people from playing around with anthrax and fully automatic weapons.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#475

I really don't like that headlines have been surfacing about the US government putting pressure on Anthropic, and now a short time later they are requiring ID's (albeit for certain use cases, but that's a slippery slope). I may very well stop using Claude due to this. Also, who is providing the verification service? We don't want another Discord situation. EDIT: Just saw it's Persona. Definitely dropping Claude now.

I suspect this new Anthropic requirement is coming from their ongoing negotiations with the government to re-enable Fable. Whatever "safety/security" measures the government requires of Anthropic will no doubt also be applied to other US "AI providers", perhaps based on assessed model capability. Apparently OpenAI already had an ID check in place before this. What's going to be interesting is how the US government re…

What new requirement? The linked page is months old.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#476

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

I don't know what was the hype about Fable. It was crap. This more looks like PR stunt by the US government to prop up the failing product. Now everyone talks about Fable and wants Fable. Having used it for limited time when it was available, I don't miss it at all.

I wanted Fable in order to harden my C project against exploits and vulnerabilities. Anthropic downgraded me to Opus 4.8 every single time I tried to do it.

So I don't even know if I miss it. I suppose that's equivalent to never having used Fable at all.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#477

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I bet that if you don't use companies that enforce these verifications, and they start to lose money, things will shift very fast.

No. Google and Apple are already rolling out the infrastructure. FCC is requiring IDs for phones. It will be opt-in for a while but the acceleration of AI risks will inevitably lead to an infrastructure level lock down of the entire internet. 99% of the population will accept it without hesitation because it is no different than what they do already. Everything you do online is already logged and tracked. The only th…

> FCC is requiring IDs for phones.

Sources?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#478

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> The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. Note the big cut in token prices from China. [1] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1363827.shtml

> Note the big cut in token prices from China. After the recent 75%+ price cuts by DeepSeek & Xiaomi MiMo (and now, MiniMax), I pretty much packed my Claude bag up and moved over. I see no discernable difference (other than chattiness of its thinking modes) in capabilities for the kind of coding & debugging work I do.

You need to look up loss leader strategy and dumping in international trade because that is what china is doing. And your use of their models over api is giving them training data.

They will flip to being just as bad or worse if they beat America.

But America isn’t deserving trust at this point.

The only viable option now is local AI. Our industry needs to figure out how to decentralize training data, infrastructure, inference and analysis.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#479

AI is weapons now. Need a gun license to buy and operate pistols (Opus), assault rifles (Fable) will be highly limited, even higher tiers of weapons will only be accessible by corporate and state-level actors - we might not even know they exist or what they're capable of. Democratization of AI is dead. Gen pop is completely asleep to all of this so its going to get locked down in the name of safety before anyone even…

Fortunately the 2nd Amendment exists.

And allows banning fully automatic weapons and licensing.
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