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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by greenavocado »

preg_match wrote: post #225
christoph wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed - Persona is backed by Founders Fund - also linked to lovely companies like Palantir, Flock & Anduril. Some people still (claim they) can’t see the massive dragnet swirling around all of society right now.

It’s especially frustrating with Anthropic because we’ve known about issues with Persona for a while now, with discord. But anthropic leadership I guess is like any company leadership - stupid, blind, and lazy. Just go with the vendor whose name you know. Anthropic could have EASILY made an in-house solution with < 100 employees. But no, they have to make the same mistakes that behemoths like IBM and Oracle make. Y’a…

> But anthropic leadership I guess is like any company leadership - stupid, blind, and lazy

Has it ever occurred to you that this is intentional?

All those Bilderberg and WEF forums and Peter Thiel's Dialog Club are not for nothing

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by chickensong »

dofm wrote: post #249

Ohhh Emm Gee, the HN singularity has arrived. chuckling in slightly mischievous British Jeez, Persona though. Couldn't they have got Fable to write them something of their own?

Why assume any responsibility when you can just outsource and shrug/blame the 3rd-party when they get breached.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by breezybottom »

everforward wrote: post #110
hdndjsbbs wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Net neutrality is about a natural monopoly - there can only be so many cell towers, satellites and fibre optic cables. This limits the number of ISPs. By contrast there is no natural limit to how many AI companies there can be. I would prefer if we just nationalized this stuff but if we have to let private companies control limited resources we can at least enforce anti-trust rules. That's effectively what net-neutra…

> Net neutrality is about a natural monopoly - there can only be so many cell towers, satellites and fibre optic cables. This is a misinterpretation, we could support an absolute ton more physical infrastructure than we have in the wired space (cell towers and probably satellites are limited by spectrum, but still not the physical footprint of the devices). Fiber cables are tiny relative to their bandwidth. Ignoring…

This is really splitting hairs; the comment you replied to didn't even mention physical space. Yes, a lot of companies could physically run their cables next to each other, but at some point the roads have to actually work, and not be demolished every time a firm enters or leaves the market.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by dofm »

bnj wrote: post #270
dofm wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Issuer country is not a very good proxy for nationality, I suppose.

Wouldn't this also be true of government issued ID's? There's nothing preventing a non-US national from having a drivers license... Maybe I just don't understand the definitions?

I am working on the assumption that the ID is used to check against some database or other via some state-provided route.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by greenavocado »

gojibary wrote: post #241
preg_match wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s especially frustrating with Anthropic because we’ve known about issues with Persona for a while now, with discord. But anthropic leadership I guess is like any company leadership - stupid, blind, and lazy. Just go with the vendor whose name you know. Anthropic could have EASILY made an in-house solution with < 100 employees. But no, they have to make the same mistakes that behemoths like IBM and Oracle make. Y’a…

In-house would almost certainly mean future prosecution by the US. Using a company connected to Palantir means any employee of the US government that wants to keep their job won't ask questions.

How America Works, 2026 Colorized:

America passes many laws but doesn't enforce the majority of them and allows people to grow largely unencumbered unless their initiatives threaten established players or the system itself.

The Dissident: If you are vocal about the system, you get locked out at every opportunity from the things you depend on to sustain yourself and communicate (social media, housing and banking).

Red Ocean: If you try to compete in a red ocean and don't give a cut to the players in that space you're shut down with frivolous lawsuits for example by buried by frivolous patent or copyright claims, liability lawsuits, and licensure requirements.

Blue Ocean: If you are a compliant person and grow in a blue ocean, once you are big enough to where you can't realistically back down, you are threatened with prison time and sanctions unless you are onboard with the government's actual agenda and its preferred partners.

Secret Societies: Above a certain point you are expected to compromise yourself with blackmail to grow even further and become a part of the brotherhood that actually runs the government agenda.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by dofm »

chickensong wrote: post #272
dofm wrote: post #249

Ohhh Emm Gee, the HN singularity has arrived. chuckling in slightly mischievous British Jeez, Persona though. Couldn't they have got Fable to write them something of their own?

Why assume any responsibility when you can just outsource and shrug/blame the 3rd-party when they get breached.

I have just read that OpenAI are also using Persona?

So maybe Persona has developed tools for this specific form of eligibility check?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by monksy »

christoph wrote: post #169
samename wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. This is an expansion of surveillance. Most concerning to me is how few people understand government's access to this data. People treat AI like a diary, and the government can request that data at anytime.

Indeed - Persona is backed by Founders Fund - also linked to lovely companies like Palantir, Flock & Anduril. Some people still (claim they) can’t see the massive dragnet swirling around all of society right now.

The funny thing. I've talked to normies about this. Frequently their response is "good to solves " But they never seem to wrap their head arround this is a tax on non-violators. Using identity verification to stop underage people from seeing porn is never realized that people that are above 18 are put at risk over this, or how it could be extended to now "adult"/"community decided 'obscene' materials" (that's what adult content is) is now restricted. (Which can include medical abortion information, disucssions arround gender, political campaigns that are unpopular, etc)

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by g42gregory »

Here is what I think it the game is:

1. Force KYC is US LLM providers, gleefully supported by the US LLM providers.

2. Next -> now Chinese LLM providers must use KYC in the "free market" Western world.

3. But we can's allow KYC information to go to China, can we?

4. Now Western customers can not access Chinese LLM

5. Prices go up 10x to $2,000+/month. Anthropic/OpenAI are happy.

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