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Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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NB, there are sub-$100 feature (and even Android) phones available, though there are compromises to be made. Jose Briones's Dumbphone Finder lists about 45, sorted by price, and that's just what he's reviewed. Going to $250 there are about 65 options. https://josebriones.org/dumbphone-finder > Once you're into the Android or Android-adjacent OS territory (LineageOS, SailfishOS (the Callback runs this), /e/OS, iodeOS,…

> LineageOS specifically requires Google Pixel, at least until the Motorola partnership bears fruit. Not true.

Gah! I was thinking GrapheneOS. Corrected my parent comment.

LineageWiki device support page lists a number of options, for those interested: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/>.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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It looks awesome but I’d need to be able to swap an eSIM easily to switch back and forth from an iPhone.

eSIMs can't be swapped by design to increase lock-in. That's why I never buy a phone that requires an eSIM or use a carrier that only issues an eSIM.

Why downvote this?

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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They say that it has a 48MP camera so that shouldn't be a problem. I think I saw them comparing it to the iphone's camera even. Remains to be seen of course.

The reason the iPhone takes great photos is probably 95% because of the software. It’s 0% because of the number of pixels, and never was even since their early models. I think the kind of user who gets a detox phone will also get an Instax or a second hand old Ixus.

Is there a reason to think that this might not have equally good software for taking pictures? Almost, at least. There are a lot of phones in the market with good cameras (yes, + software).

We won't know until someone tries it.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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Not really, it’s a 5 year old SOC that runs Sailfish. You want a Linux box in your pocket? Why does a flip phone factor excite you?

It's genuinely small. You can put it in your pocket and forget that it's there. I'm continually amazed that people don't seem to want that.

We have had that in various forms for a while now without the grandiose visions and gatekeeping.

The exact same module in fact has been around for a while. Battery is ancient. T9 is ancient.

I have a $70 Linux box in my pocket already. It runs a Buildroot distro and the only real difference is an LTE PHY.

I have lived through the Nokia internet tablet and I’m surprised this isn’t what people aspire to.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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There is a growing set of options outside the Android / iOS duopoly. Commodore is stepping into this space, but they're by no means the only option.

I've been looking into this area for the past month or so and have some hopefully-useful knowledge to share.

For informational resources, I strongly recommend Jose Briones's website https://josebriones.org/>, Substack https://josebriones.substack.com/>, Dumbphone Finder https://www.dumbphones.org/>, YouTube channel https://inv.nadeko.net/channel/UCFtVwG0NFd6gT3TXfMCU7oA>, and /r/dumbphones on Reddit (which he co-moderates). There are others also sharing information in this space, you should be able to discover at least some especially through YT and Reddit.

First question I'd pose is why do you want out of the Apple/Google phone duopoly? Typical answers would be:

- Intentionality / focus. Avoiding digital distraction and social timesucks. I'd include phone/SMS/messaging spam here.

- Privacy / tracking. Avoiding the pervasive adtech of modern smartphones.

- Cost. Not wanting to throw a megabuck at a new flagship device.

- Quality. Of calls, of hardware, of software, of support (next item).

- Support. Both hardware and software. Is there a solid warranty, is the device repairable, will there be OS and app updates, and for how long?

- Modularity. Whether hardware or software, the ability to add/remove from the standard feature set.

- Specific features. Rugged devices, overall size, screen size, battery capacity, removable batteries, removable modules, flip phones, e-ink / monochrome, keyboard (T-9, QWERTY), headphone jack, etc. Neither Google nor Apple offer choice on most of these for current products.

Second would be what other constraints exist on your options? Typical here would be mobile networking standards (4G and VoLTE are table stakes today, 5G may be soon), physical v. e-SIM, and your must-have capabilities (usually given as apps). Messaging (including group texts, WhatsApp, Signal, Teams, and/or Slack), mapping/navigation, music/podcast/entertainment, rideshare, and banking/finance are what I see come up most frequently. Most or all of these have viable workarounds, but that depends on where you care to compromise.

Third is what OS option(s) fit your needs. Full integration with the Google/Apple worlds will require Android or iOS. Android alternatives will match most mainstream functionality, though Google's making this increasingly difficult. That's GrapheneOS, LineageOS, SailfishOS, /e/OS, and iodeOS generally. Android-lite options, typically based on AOSP (Android Open Source Project), notably including KaiOS are yet further restricted, though have some app support (calculators, FM radio, podcasts, minimal Web browser, sometimes mapping, Signal, etc.). Even "focus-oriented" devices typically permit sideloading apps, so ultimately you are your own gatekeeper.

Fourth is to what extent you're willing to extend your "everyday carry" (EDC) with items to backfill smartphone features you've traded off. For example, an e-reader, camera, flashlight, laptop, MP3 player, or ultra-light laptop.

Fifth is your price range. Options start well under $100, and can go well over $1000, though there's quite a choice in the $100--$%600 range (new), lower if you're willing to pick used/refurbished devices.

I'd argue that intentionality is fairly well served by many options.

Privacy is far harder to establish, and many characteristics of the phone ecosystem independent of smartphone features themselves put some pretty hard limits on what you can accomplish. Cell-tower tracking, call history, contacts, and the like will leave a pretty robust footprint regardless of your OS and app choices. Even secure comms systems leave valuable metadata. My own approach is to consider any phone tainted, and to seek instead to minimise the data on, and generated by, the device. This means relying on other tools for other online tasks ... or moving those tasks offline.

The remaining factors (or others you might consider) tend to be reflected to some extent. There are flip phones, Android-alternative smartphones, feature / dumb phones, e-ink devices, modular phones, rugged phones, cheap phones, big and small phones, touchscreen or keyboarded phones. And lots and lots of headphone jacks.

The options which seem to most often make a splash on HN tend to command price premiums: Light Phone, Punkt, and Commodore are all $300--$600 items, rivaling recent full-featured iOS/Android devices. These options have their strengths, particularly in design and possibly support. Fairphone is another option, starting around $750, with hardware modularity baked in. There are reasons prices tend to run high relative to spec for comparable iOS / Android devices, with fixed costs and lack of economies of scale being key, though upmarket-positioning (warranted or not) is also at play. You'll find discussion of this on Reddit and YouTube, e.g., https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=Fj61cc3QFdM> and https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=BurBSG0YSGk>, from Briones and "My Name is Michael" (another informative YouTuber).

That said, there are far less expensive options available, though you'll want to pay attention to your priority list and reviewed quality/experience.

If spam avoidence fits into your intentionality/privacy considerations ... some of the options aren't great. KaiOS, a fairly popular feature-phone OS, lacks specific call-blocking settings, apps, or APIs entirely based on what I've seen. This is ... unfortunate. I'd consider white/grey/black listing to be table stakes in 2026. Most devices offer at best per-number call blocking, which is ridiculous. Ideally I'd have a VoIP call relay which was the only number permitted to directly reach my mobile, with logic on the VoIP system to process incoming calls based on white- / grey- / black list status and other rules (e.g., time of day, availability status).

There's also the option of ditching PSTN (public switched telephone network) largely or entirely, whether through VoIP/SIP systems, alternative messaging platforms, or other options. That's something I'm continuing to explore (and am well behind the curve relative to many).

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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So I had a feature phone -- the Nokia 8110 4g. What sold me was that I could use it as a 4g hotspot and connect a smartphone to it, or not and be offline. The idea of "going online" is something I miss, in that it's not normal to be always attached to the internet. The connections I want to foster don't need to be mediated by an ISP, or a Telco, or a social media crime syndicate, or whatever else. The "flip" part of…

I'd be the first to admit this alternative is less than ideal since it adds yet another device, but you could carry a battery powered MiFi router (even power it off to conserve it) to supply a mobile connection, and then a feature phone for calls. Plus of course whatever you'd want to use to go online. I used a TP-Link M7650 when I was cut off from fiber for a while and it worked great for me.

You certainly could. There are also pluggable modems which are powered directly off, say, your laptop or tablet.

There are also many dumbphones which act as hotspots. Most carriers have low nominal charge for ~100 GB of 150--300 Mbps connectivity monthly.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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It’s not even a dumb phone. It’s a WhatsApp flip phone.

Having WhatsApp but no email is the weirdest part about this thing (and there are many weird choices here). This is the most "built specifically for one person" product I've ever seen. I've never used WhatsApp. Never known anyone who suggested we talk via WhatsApp. I know it's popular, but, it's not more popular than email. And, it's certainly more distracting than email, if you're trying to build a device free of th…

In many countries, Whatsapp is texting. You wouldn't expect a dumb phone to do email but you would expect it to do minimal texting.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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Those parents can choose from the many dumb phones already on the market that cost under $100. Why on earth would someone who isn't specifically nostalgic about Commodore products spend $500 for this specific dumb phone? https://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/gadgets-tech/b...

You can't do video calls on those sub $100 phones though. Don't let the form factor fool you, this is not a dumb phone.

The Samsung with parental control does the same thing as this phone only you don't have to beg Commodore to install the apps your kid's school requires them to install.

It's at most a $200 smart phone (doubling the prices for the DAC + IEMs) being sold at > $500 with a funky design, interesting OS and their own app store.

I hope that they sell millions of these things, enough so that they can afford to buy the Amiga IP... just don't see it happening.

Re: The Commodore Callback 8020 smart flip phone

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I'd go this direction as long as it had a real keyboard... Maybe it's time for the blackberry to reemerge.

Look at the Keyphone ($399), Minimal Phone ($399), Zinwa Q25 ($420), Unnecto Snap ($69), and HIT K1 ($349), all via Jose Briones's dumbphone finder. https://www.dumbphones.org/ > The other way to go is with an ultra-small laptop (typically 12--13"), a tablet with integrated keyboard, or a (usually DIY) cyberdeck.

> ultra-small laptop (typically 12--13")

Gpd makes smaller machines than that.

https://gpdstore.net/gpd-pocket-4/

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