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Re: Identity verification on Claude

#151

OpenAI also has this kind of check. What is especially bad is that if you fail the verification process, they won’t let you retry – you are permanently locked out from the top models. They aren’t clear about this upfront during the process, so make sure the lighting is good when you scan your ID! https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10910291-api-organizatio...

Yep this is what caused me to switch to Anthropic from OpenAI a few months back, couldn't use any model newer than GPT-4 even if I paid for credits, unless I did a biometric check. I guess I'll move to perplexity or deepseek or something if anthropic flags me for the same.

The cost on Deepseek is so low, it's no wonder it's the top on open router. You can even use it from other vendors like cloudflare.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable's model card provides the following as a relevant reference https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026

That’s totally unrelated. The post I was replying to claimed that if you create a new account with OpenAI and that gets detected, your whole account gets silently “nerfed”. That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics.

> That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics.

We're talking about it being invisibly moved to a weaker model if it looks like you're distilling (which is best detected through something that is at least partially a reputational / account metric).

Now, Anthropic stepped away from this, but it highlights one more kind of systemic risk you're exposed to when you're not running the model yourself.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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post #147

Its a very well known fact that all of our geopolitical adversaries have sophisticated fake American ID markets. This doesn't stop any of the most dangerous adversaries from getting access to systems protected by this technology. DeepSeek is going to go buy 20,000 fake IDs for their fake distillation accounts and keep on keeping on. This just hurts normal people, Americans and non-Americans, who might struggle to aut…

Thank you. This is an expansion of surveillance. Most concerning to me is how few people understand government's access to this data. People treat AI like a diary, and the government can request that data at anytime.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#154
The US is really shooting itself in the foot here.

The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago.

As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never be able to access, while other models are able to catch up.

Adding US based identity verification through Persona is also incredibly off-putting. I think it's sufficient to kill my use of Claude altogether.

So the question I have to live with is what do I do instead.

I installed Mistral Vibe last week and I've been experimenting with offloading work to it. I won't pretend that Mistral-medium is close to state of the art. It isn't. It still writes incorrect tool calls.

From the last week about 50% of my LLM tasks actually reduced to "take this work and write about it" and Mistral excels there -- it definitely beats Opus at writing. Mistral nails it, and when it doesn't its so fast to iterate.

There's another say 30% of tasks that's writing queries against a data warehouse. I updated my semantic layer MCPs and Vibe uses them, but it struggles with ambiguity here. It's not a replacement, it's maybe where Opus was a year ago.

The rest of my work involves writing code. That's going to be harder to replace for now. My next step is exploring OpenRouter and other models. I can't decide if I was ever actually happy with Opus's work on this front though -- the understanding tradeoffs when you trust LLMs with decisions stack non-linearly and negatively. I did like Fable on these tasks, I won't lie, I will miss it, but not by any choice of my own.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#156
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Net neutrality wasn't about ID checks.

Net neutrality was about processing network traffic differently based on who was sending the packets. It’s not entirely dissimilar.

One major difference is that to send network traffic, you have to go through an ISP. With AI you have the option of local open source models

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#157

OpenAI also has this kind of check. What is especially bad is that if you fail the verification process, they won’t let you retry – you are permanently locked out from the top models. They aren’t clear about this upfront during the process, so make sure the lighting is good when you scan your ID! https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10910291-api-organizatio...

I got an email from OpenAI letting me know I won’t be a teenager anymore next week. It’s so exciting to have AI roll back my age by more than half! I then looked at their age verification and it used that problematic company so I cancelled out.

Anthropic does not allow... "Digital or mobile IDs."

Why on earth not?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#158

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question.

That’s totally unclear. Things are changing fast. No statement from god or potus has come down about the future of LLMs and who can access what. And for what it’s worth, I’m not able to access fable and I’m a US citizen.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

#159
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I’ll just automate failed verifications for everyone I want to lock out?

An empty account and an account with a year of history have very different weights in this - most people already have an account tied to their legal name, paid for with a credit card in that same legal name. Throw in some geo-location, browser fingerprinting, etc. to disambiguate the surprisingly rare case of two customers with the exact same name. For a paid product, it's really not that hard to already have a fairl…

> to disambiguate the surprisingly rare case of two customers with the exact same name

I see you have an uncommon name.

My first+last are shared by about 20,000 people in the US. From 2005-2020 I was unable to check-in for airlines online or even at the kiosk at the airport. I had to wait on line for baggage check-in despite never checking a bag, and they'd take my ID into the back room and delay me for 15 minutes and whisper and glare at me the whole time. Thankfully I can finally fly like a normal person again.

When I worked at a large company, there were four other people with the same first name, middle initial, and last name.

There is nothing surprising or rare about two customers having the same name.

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