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White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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Re: White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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So do you only secure your computer networks after they’ve been hacked? We should have transparent, verifiable election infrastructure, like Taiwan: https://youtu.be/DUZa7qIGAdo .

The problem is implementing that in a way that doesn't disenfranchise a lot of people. Most or all countries that have the kind of robust national ID system for such a system also make sure it is easy for every citizen to get the necessary ID. Such a system could be added to the US without too much disruption if we did it gradually, say making it only apply to people born after 2030 so there is time to get all the su…

Only US citizens are allowed to vote. How do you control for that without ID of some sort?

Re: White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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This is entirely unrelated to your point, but as you brought up the sanctity some Americans hold their founding fathers to: How do some assume the American founding fathers thought ahead, and had it all planned out, with good solutions (instead of merely solutions), ...while also being aware of the Flynn effect?

The ones who most venerate the Founding Fathers are the ones who usually claim that the status quo is good. The status quo can always be attributed as the will of the Fathers. Sometimes that means using a ouija board to assert that some vague passage happens to mean what they want it to mean.

It's bold to assert that people make up Founder Father's reasoning when just above you claim we use the current electronic voting because:

> "I think just the fact that it was the first thing on offer that wasn't the thing they were already using."

Instead of just assuming things - aka making things up - you could check.

For the Declaration, Articles, and later the Constitution specifically, much of the Founder Father's reasoning and conclusions were well-documented in public via published letters, essays, and speeches at the time. No ouija board necessary.

Re: White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is implementing that in a way that doesn't disenfranchise a lot of people. Most or all countries that have the kind of robust national ID system for such a system also make sure it is easy for every citizen to get the necessary ID. Such a system could be added to the US without too much disruption if we did it gradually, say making it only apply to people born after 2030 so there is time to get all the su…

Only US citizens are allowed to vote. How do you control for that without ID of some sort?

How did the US solve this issue during every election until now?

Re: White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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Seems to be an exclusive article that's also paywall. Anyone know the story? Ensuring secure elections and auditing extensively seems like good practice. However the issue has become political and neither party is interested in that. The right claims fraud with no good evidence, in response the left has decided that our elections perfectly secure and to suggest otherwise gets you a sound "tsk tsk"

Pretty remarkable both-sidesism in this comment. One side _does not admit the results of the 2020 election_ and the other side says widespread voter fraud is not happening in the United States. Being a fence-setter on this one is intellectually lazy.

"tsk tsk"

Re: White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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The red haring is that voting is hacked or illegals are voting, etc etc etc. The -real- story is disenfranchising voters by making it hard for them or out-right steaming their votes in the courts. We don't have an election fraud issue in the us. We have an election legitimacy issue.

So do you only secure your computer networks after they’ve been hacked? We should have transparent, verifiable election infrastructure, like Taiwan: https://youtu.be/DUZa7qIGAdo .

> So do you only secure your computer networks after they’ve been hacked?

Idk seems to be an industry standard.

Re: White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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post #54

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The problem is implementing that in a way that doesn't disenfranchise a lot of people. Most or all countries that have the kind of robust national ID system for such a system also make sure it is easy for every citizen to get the necessary ID. Such a system could be added to the US without too much disruption if we did it gradually, say making it only apply to people born after 2030 so there is time to get all the su…

It's not any easier to get a national ID in say Germany if you don't already have one. E.g. https://www.personalausweisportal.de/SharedDocs/faqs/Webs/PA... "In order to be issued a national ID card, you need to be able to establish your identity and your German citizenship. If at the time of your application you are not able to provide any documentation of your identity, such as an expired national ID card or a birth…

Georgia accepts these documents.

• Birth certificate issued by a US state

• Passport

• Certificate of Citizenship

• Naturalization Certificate

• A Report of Birth Abroad of a US Citizen

• Birth Certificate issued by the Department of State

• A US Citizen card

• An American Indian Card issued by the Department of Homeland Security with the classification code "KIC" (Issued by DHS to identify U.S. citizen members of the Texas Band of Kickapoos living near the U.S./Mexican border)

• Final adoption decree showing the child's name and U.S. birthplace

• Evidence of civil service employment by the U.S. government before June 1976

• An official U.S. military record of service showing a U.S. place of birth

• A Northern Mariana Identification Card (Issued by the INS to a collectively naturalized citizen of the U.S. who was born in the Northern Mariana Islands before November 4, 1986)

• Extract of U.S. hospital record of birth established at the time of the person's birth indicating a U.S. place of birth

• Life or health or other insurance record which indicates a U.S. place of birth and which is dated at least 5 years before the initial application date

• Federal or State census record which indicates U.S. citizenship or a U.S. place of birth

• Institutional admission papers from a nursing home, skilled nursing care facility or other institution which indicates a U.S. place of birth

• Medical (clinical, doctor, or hospital) record which indicates a U.S. place of birth and which is dated at least 5 years before the application date.

• A driver’s license or identification card issued by an agency of a U.S. state if that agency indicates on the driver’s license or identification card that the applicant has provided satisfactory evidence of United States citizenship to the agency

• One of the following if created at least 5 years before use to prove citizenship and if showing a U.S. place of birth: Seneca Indian tribal census record; Bureau of Indian Affairs tribal census records of the Navaho Indians; U.S. State Vital Statistics official notification of birth registration; an amended or delayed U.S. public birth record that is amended more than 5 years after the person's birth; or statement signed by the physician or midwife who was in attendance at the time of birth

• If other forms of documentation cannot be obtained, documentation may be provided by a written affidavit, signed under penalty of perjury, from two citizens, one of whom cannot be related to the person in question, who have specific knowledge of event(s) establishing the person in question's citizenship status. The person in question or another knowledgeable individual must also submit an affidavit stating why the documents are not available. Affidavits are only expected to be used in rare circumstances

Most of those are only going to be useful to to a small fraction of adult Georgians who don't already have proof of citizenship. The affidavit at first seems like no big deal but it probably is because it as asking for affidavits from people who have specific knowledge of events that establish your citizenship.

Re: White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is implementing that in a way that doesn't disenfranchise a lot of people. Most or all countries that have the kind of robust national ID system for such a system also make sure it is easy for every citizen to get the necessary ID. Such a system could be added to the US without too much disruption if we did it gradually, say making it only apply to people born after 2030 so there is time to get all the su…

Only US citizens are allowed to vote. How do you control for that without ID of some sort?

The check for citizenship is not done at the polling place; it's done at the time of voter registration with plenty of accepted IDs.

Re: White House delays US voting-machine vulnerability report

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It's very much on record that the Trump campaign reached out to the Ukraine to see if they'd dig up dirt on Hunter Biden and the Biden campaign in general, and that's what Clinton is referring to. Unless of course you think incumbent leaders should be able to use foreign intelligence services as a part of their campaign strategy to attack their oppoosition?

> that's what Clinton is referring to We agree. The statement was that no major figure on the left claims fraud. Hillary Clinton, a specifically named major figure on the left, claims fraud.

I think my point was more that Clinton claimed "inappropriate and possibly illegal election interference (or attempts)", hence illegitimate, not "specifically committed vote counting fraud".
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