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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by halJordan »

xmstan wrote: post #2

Funny how no-one talks about AI neutrality like we used to discuss net neutrality. We literally now enter a space where not only you will have to prove your identity with a gov issued ID, but they will silently block you if they deem you try to use it in a way that they don't like. It is literally similar to a situation where your ISP would investigate all sites you visit and limit your bandwidth if they don't like t…

In a roundabout way it's better. In that w/net neutrality isp's & big business got out from under it by promising bare minimums.

Without that "head 'em off at the pass" collusion we'll actually stand a chance for things to get so bad legislators have to act.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by forgetfreeman »

baq wrote: post #11
forgetfreeman wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is the undocumented 3rd option of simply shrugging and moving on without LLMs, you know, business as usual.

That ship has sailed. Even if you never even tab complete in cursor, if you don’t let LLMs review your code you’re very, very behind unless you’re in a deeply specialized domain which doesn’t have any public training data available. Anything remotely public and you’re just outpaced.

Is this your first tech industry hype cycle or something?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

weezing wrote: post #75
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Control over... my government ID? I understand why someone might oppose this on systemic grounds if they don't believe that frontier models have dangerous capabilities, but I don't understand what the personal risk to me of ID verification is supposed to be. Unlike Discord, Anthropic has my credit card info, so they already know who I am.

If you are comfortable with your ID scans sitting who knows where then I guess you are their target. Real fun starts when you identity gets stolen tho.

I'm not comfortable with it, but I've already had to verify my ID in the past to people I trust substantially less to handle the images securely. I can understand why someone who's never previously generated a digital photo of their ID might be more worried.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by halJordan »

aqua_coder wrote: post #72

This might seem unrelated but on one of my free accounts. I tried to make Claude do some historical fact checking on the inter-war period of the USSR. The point isn't if it is true or not, but it felt like it would help quite a lot to see what the sources Claude finds says about the both sides of the picture and I was curious at some point. Funnily enough, a day after this my account got banned under the pretext that…

That's the problem with all these heuristics i guess. No one but phd historians and kids writing essays research inter-war Soviet history.

Which is of course false, but you can imagine that's what the heuristics say is true 90% of the time.

We're gonna lose quite a long tail of interests and hobbies when the llms take over

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by forgetfreeman »

jckahn wrote: post #7
forgetfreeman wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is the undocumented 3rd option of simply shrugging and moving on without LLMs, you know, business as usual.

That's not the option most are going to take.

shrug Not really a me problem, but I'd counsel taking an afternoon to reflect on what part of any of this is actually inevitable. You know, maybe come up for air for a minute and examine the industry hype from 30,000 ft.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by usernamed7 »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #4
usernamed7 wrote: post #3

Let us hope this only accelerates the proliferation of local models

There is the undocumented 3rd option of simply shrugging and moving on without LLMs, you know, business as usual.

That's a choice you are free to make, just like you're free to shrug and not use the internet or computers.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by inigyou »

shevy-java wrote: post #40
tartoran wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You risk being silenly flagged and get nerfed responses. Somehting like shadow dumbed down.

So ... like reddit! :) Thankfully I don't depend on any of such services. It would make me rather angry.

HN also has shadowbans. If your preferences have showdead=yes, you might see some.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by fractorial »

baq wrote: post #9
usernamed7 wrote: post #3

Let us hope this only accelerates the proliferation of local models

Serving barely useful GLM 5.2 costs what? $15k? Actually useful is like $50k? You’ll never recoup the cost unless you ‘locally’ means ‘inference provider is not the model provider’?

Not "local" in the literal sense, but I set it up to serve at half quant for $23/hr and full quant for $35/hr.

You don't need to have it always on? This is a far cry from "$200/month," but I do not think it's $50k for "useful." Do you see it differently?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by ericmay »

Rooster61 wrote: post #22

I really don't like that headlines have been surfacing about the US government putting pressure on Anthropic, and now a short time later they are requiring ID's (albeit for certain use cases, but that's a slippery slope). I may very well stop using Claude due to this. Also, who is providing the verification service? We don't want another Discord situation. EDIT: Just saw it's Persona. Definitely dropping Claude now.

It seems very likely that AI tools like this will end up with citizenship verification whether it’s American, Chinese, or European. Governments are going to want to know when you try and plan an assassination, or develop a novel pathogen, or start writing manifestos that go against the orthodoxy. And they’re going to want to make sure if you are a criminal or deemed to be one you can’t keep up in the economy due to neutered AI access.

I’m not condoning this, just speculating.

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