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> Are people migrating to alternative hosting? Yes, are they? Where are the alternative hosting that do the same thing as Bluesky?
Here's a list of active alternative hosts: https://blue.mackuba.eu/directory/pdses As I mentioned in the article, I literally migrated to https://eurosky.tech/accounts/ yesterday.
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It doesn't solve those problems, except in an alternative universe where there are a very large number of appviews capable of consuming the entire firehose and you can freely choose between them and cheaply run your own. ATProto is like RSS in a universe where you can only read RSS through Google Reader (or a clone of Google Reader running on the same scale).
I don’t know what you’re saying. I’m running an atproto app and it’s perfectly capable of ingesting the entire firehouse as it comes in. It costs me maybe $10/mo and mostly because I haven’t fixed some memory leaks. Of course, few of records that come through are relevant to my app so I don’t store them. If I wanted to store gigabytes of records (like Bluesky) for millions of users forever then yes it would be more e…
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How is that trivially answered with Mastodon? And what does "the rest of the world disappearing" actually mean in your example? Everything I'm seeing about hosting costs in the current day and age is that the full AtProto stack (PDS, Relay, AppView) is roughly in par with hosting an ActivityPub instance of equivalent size (if not a little cheaper). And with AtProto, folks get to pick and choose what slice of the stac…
Imagine bluesky (the company) and mastodon.social both disappear tomorrow. My self-hosted mastodon server continues working, and can continue federating with e.g. chaos.social With bluesky it's different. If I am fully self-hosting the entire bluesky app, I need to spend ten thousands of dollars a month, but it'll keep working. If I self-host my own app, it's cheap and keeps working, but I can only see content from m…
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I’d also call out that activitypub has the same threat model in the form of ICANN, as it’s also heavily dependent on DNS for identity. I believe these are reasonable trades to make; realistically the alternative is to use a blockchain, which few people are keen to do.
ATProto has both PLC and ICANN ICANN is a severe risk btw. Current new protocols should be designed to avoid DNS wherever possible.
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I think the centralization on mastodon.social is a bit over estimated. According to fedidb.com there are over 1.1M active users in the fediverse. Of these mastodon.social has about 273k. That means mastodon.social has about 1/4 of the active users. The rest are scattered over nearly 43k servers. So I'd say the fediverse is pretty decentralized. That would make it pretty resilient.
This is the real strength of ActivityPub compared to ATProto. I follow a lot of accounts on mastodon, and only a handful of them are on mastodon.social. Globally though looks like 1/4 of the accounts are there. If the instance goes down, the network stays up and continues to work, minus only the accounts on mastodon.social. This is not the case on bluesky afaik. They got DDosed a few months ago and the whole network…
But this is indeed somewhat technical; in an ideal world clients would automatically fall back to alternative AppViews.
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There are: - 221 with over 5 accounts - 74 with over 20 accounts - 19 with over 250 accounts - 8 with over 1000 accounts. And only a handful of those have open signups (13 with open signups have >50 users). Many of them are actually ActivityPub instances with a PDS bridge, e.g., https://join.wafrn.net/ And most of the other open signup instances are also primarily designed as their own social network, just using AT p…
Spark, pckt (and leaflet, tangled) etc aren't using atproto as a compatibility layer: they're fully-fledged apps built on the network.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's pretty cool that you can run all these different apps and have them store their data on their own PDSes. And theoretically it's possible for everyone in my Bluesky feed to be on their own PDS and use different apps. But the question from a Mastodon point of view is: is that the case in practice, and if not, how likely is it that there will ever be a significant portion of non-Bluesky posts in an average microblog feed, on atproto?
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https://northskysocial.com/ might work for you! You can have an account on Northsky and use it with Blacksky's appview!
Oh thanks! I wish they'd have their own appview but I guess that might take time. I'll definitely try it out!
Theres also front ends that avoid using an appview at all if that sounds preferable to relying on an appview not run by your PDS host: https://tangled.org/whey.party/red-dwarf
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I'm one of those "is it decentralized yet" people and to me the real concern is the AppView since I assume that's where censorship would be applied if it ever happens. People keep telling me about PDSes but I don't care about controlling my PDS if other people can't see my posts .
I wouldn’t say censorship alone is the primary motivation here so I’m a bit wary when people bring it up. But the way to think about it is that your data being on PDS is the mechanism that creates a market opportunity for other apps that, among other things, differ in moderation strategies. Concrete example: Bluesky banned a person, and Blacksky community disagreed with that ban. When Blacksky switched http://blacksk…